LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Issue No.11 - Tuesday November 19, 2002
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Index to Today's Digest
01 Re: mineral oil
02 Cutting in water only
03 Microwaves and Zircon
04 RE: MAST MACHINES
05 Radiant Cut
06 Jubilee Project Query
Business Section -
01 Error in judgement.
Subject: mineral oil
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:20:58 -0800
From: "lapicary" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I use food grade mineral oil in my 18 inch Highland Park saw (Green
blazer blade).I cut large(30#) quartz crystals,jade,agate..
etc.Phenomenal ! ! long blade life,clean cuts,no odors,no rust.Clean
your used oil by filtering through brown paper shopping bags placed
5 gallon bucket with holes punched in bottom of it.
Subject: Re: Issue No.10 - Monday November 18, 2002
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:12:07 EST
Cutting in water only
Very good advise on water oxidation and how it is all but impossible
completely dry out a saw from water.... I will take that into
when I proceed with the water only and will now not only dry out
as well as I possibly can, but I will then additionally use a
hand pump spray
bottle to lightly mist certain key parts, with some type of food
like canola, or safflower etc ...
Diamond Pacific can make 100% water saws, as can other companies
I'm sure, it
is a custom order job, with about a 40% increase in the overall
usually.. Although any machine smart person could change out the
parts on almost any saw for about 1/2 that price !
I imagine for about $300 to $800 that, most saws, from 12"
to 24" could be
refitted with the necessary stainless steel and aluminum parts,
safely in water, if you did the buying and refitting job yourself...
I will not be production cutting, so that is a key factor, as
mentioned..I also have NO DESIRE to ever clean another slab off,
are used.. No more kitty litter, then lacquer thinner, then soapy
clean water and outdoor sun drying, in order to get out most of
the oils and
the odorous fumes.......It's just not right in my personal opinion,
for my circumstances......
Blade life span is not important to me, as most decent, or just
last for years, even with production cutting.
Since i am basically a quote "hobbyist" type lapidary,
any good blade i use
would last 10 plus years or more with oil lubes...So with water
only as my
lube, i can safely expect no more than 50% loss in the blade lifespan
that works to be, at the very least, 5 - 7 years of lifespan,
for a blade
cutting in water only........I don't mind spending around $300
MAX, every 5-7
years for a new blade..I'll put aside the $60 per year, in my
cookie jar : )
Also, I only have a small enclosed work station where I will
be just a few
feet from the saw itself at all cutting times / outdoor oil sawing
thing.... Yet I have also been around outdoor saws for just a
couple of hours
at a time and my clothing reeked of fumes when I got home and
they had to be
I have no desire or misunderstanding, as to the health problems
develop from inhaling any type of elements, whether they be saw
dust, desert dust, olive oil mists and especially any and all
solutions that can produce or even inhibit mists or cause fumes.......
None of the above elements are meant to be inhaled in any way
shape or form,
no matter what any manufacturing company or government agency
or MSDS sheet
says... Ask any Pulmonary / Lung Medical Doctor, who's willing
to tell you
the truth that is..... But usually they must be retired MD's first,
are then not under the thumbs of the medical community, BUSINESS
An interesting fact I just observed in the news is that by age
children ( a.k.a. -- little adult people) living in large cities
Angeles, have inhaled more toxic elements than the EPA considers
healthy safe range, for an entire lifetime !
To the "LARocks" people, mask anyone : )
Yes, my circumstances are unique of course and should not be
something everyone should try..Cutting in water definitely requires
research and mine is ongoing...
Thanks again Don
Subject: Re: Issue No.10 - Monday November 18, 2002
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:11:18 +0000
From: Michael Hing <email@example.com>
>I decided to give the Microwave a try just because i was
curious. I did not
>get any results with a large topaz that I had but I had some
Zircon that I
>decided to try out. I put the stone in for 7 mins. using the
same method as
>perscribed on your earlier post and to my suprise the peach
>came out almost the color of an orange Spessartite. That color
>but a few hours. I wonder if I were to slow down the cooling
process if that
>would help keep some of the color. Any Idea's?
Zircons can behave extremely oddly, in terms of colour change
exposed to heat/light/U.V./etc. It can be difficult to predict
what will happen to the colour, unless you go to an experienced
treater and tell that person exactly where your zircon came from.
not unknown for zircons to experience reversible colour changes
the colour might fade, but then reappear when the stone is kept
dark for a while).
If you heat the stone too much, the colour can sometimes get bleached
Have you tried keeping it out in the sun for a couple of hours
to see if
that changes the colour? If you are trying to lighten the colour,
is a method that sometimes works.
Subject: RE: MAST MACHINES
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:29:36 -0600
To: Faceter's Digest <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: gembin <email@example.com>
Hi Charles Bell Jr. and All,
> Take it from someone who worked in a repair & production
shop in Denver Co.
> in the 70's from cabbing, up through faceting the first C.Z.
across the > street from the EMPIRE STATE BUILDING in N.Y.,
before they could
even detect > C.Z.
Charles, I would appreciate it if you and any other faceters
that have been
faceting for years would take a look at my old (bought it for
faceting machine on my web site. It has a "tripod" mast
and the base is cast
metal. A through search on my part for a name or other information
(bottom, top, ends, inside, etc.) reveals nothing. It has no "cheater"
adjustment, but I have never had the need for the "cheater"
except the 2 times I
had a stone pop off the dop and misaligned the stone when redopping.
Then I had
to loosen the index gear and cheat by hand, which taught me a
understanding how to use a Facet Finder Mirror to get the facets
aligned to the
If you look closely, you will notice a speed control pulley (with
sheath) that allows speeds from 100 to 1,400 RPM of the 8"
laps. Because of the
rigidity of the tripod mast I find when checking my polished facets,
Facet Finder, the facets are as near to perfect (observing Newton's
Rings) as I
care to get them. I'm happy to say, customers that buy my stones
(set in rings,
pendants and broaches) always are thrilled that their friends
comment how the
stones sparkle and I have people telling me they were recommended
to me by a
I sure would like to know if any of you could tell me who made
my machine or if
you have ever seen one like it? http://www.spiff.net/~gembin
Doug "Rhodolite" Smith
Alton, Illinois, USA (or am I forever doomed to wondering?) :-)
Subject: Radiant Cut
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:27:09 -0500
From: Tom Pyles <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Anyone have a diagram for a radiant cut? I see that it is a very
diamond cut now.
Subject: Jubilee Project Query
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:02:51 +0000
This is addressed to all the members of the Jubilee Project.
It's been brought to my attention that the published angles for
I" are optimised for tourmaline, not quartz. I was under
that the design would work well in quartz without any changes,
seems that the angles do need to be changed slightly in order
performance and avoid a dark, "maltese cross" reflection
in the stone.
I know some people already have Jeff Graham's design books. Has
actually started cutting their stone according to the published
If so, please stop work now: you will need to contact me to get
Fortunately, it shouldn't involve much loss of yield if you've
started, because the angles are, by and large, a bit shallower.
Sorry about the confusion.
RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~
Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com
RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~
Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~
*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, email@example.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters
Don Cameron: firstname.lastname@example.org
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, email@example.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: email@example.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, firstname.lastname@example.org
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, email@example.com
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch firstname.lastname@example.org
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, email@example.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, firstname.lastname@example.org)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write
( email@example.com or firstname.lastname@example.org
TODAY'S FUNNY ~
They get better as you go....Enjoy
1. Two vultures board an airplane, each carrying two dead raccoons.
The flight attendant looks at them and says, "I'm sorry,
only one carrion allowed per passenger."
2. Two boll weevils grew up in South Carolina. One went to Hollywood
and became a famous actor. The other stayed behind in the cotton
and never amounted to much. The second one, naturally, became
the lesser of two weevils.
3. Two Eskimos sitting in a kayak were chilly, but when they
fire in the craft, it sank, proving once again that you can't
kayak and heat it, too.
4. A three-legged dog walks into a saloon in the Old West. He
up to the bar and announces: "I'm looking for the man who
shot my paw."
5. A group of chess enthusiasts checked into a hotel and were
standing in the lobby discussing their recent tournament victories.
After about an hour, the manager came out of the office and asked
to disperse. "But why?" they asked, as they moved off.
said, "I can't stand chess nuts boasting in an open foyer."
6. A woman has twins and gives them up for adoption. One of them
to a family in Egypt and is named "Ahmal." The other
goes to a family in
Spain; they name him "Juan." Years later, Juan sends
a picture of
himself to his birth mother. Upon receiving the picture, she tells
husband that she wishes she also had a picture of Ahmal. Her husband
responds, "They're twins! If you've seen Juan, you've seen
7. These friars were behind on their belfry payments, so they
up a small florist shop to raise funds. Since everyone liked to
flowers from the men of God, a rival florist across town thought
competition was unfair. He asked! the good fathers to close down,
they would not.
He went back and begged the friars to close. They ignored him.
rival florist hired Hugh MacTaggart, the roughest and most vicious
in town to "persuade" them to close. Hugh beat up the
friars and trashed
their store, saying he'd be back if they didn't close up shop.
Terrified, they did so, thereby proving that Hugh, and only Hugh,
prevent florist friars.
REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
" Procrastination is the natural assassin of opportunity."
--- Author Unknown ---
Yesterday I commited an error in publishing an item of political
here. It will not happen again. Please do not comment on yesterdays
error. We are here to have fun. LOL
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:44:27 -0500
From: Bob Collins <email@example.com>
CZ - Final Sale
I expect this to be my final update to this ad...
As I said, I am not a rough dealer... just a cutter like you.
Recently I had the opportunity to buy a mixed lot of Russian
CZ... as it
turned out, it was MUCH more CZ than I would ever cut!!!
So I sold some of it to others.
Well, I got seduced again!!! I was able to get some of the nicer,
exotic colors... (couldn't resist!) so, I once again have much
just for me.
Once this is gone... THERE WILL BE NO MORE FROM ME!!!
....AND, I'm going to cut prices and beat all competition that
I am aware
Good opportunity to stock up!
I have it in the following colors / sizes:
Dark Violet - Amethyst (avg. 160 cts)
Lavender 50 - 85cts (avg. 70)
Champagne 100 - 520cts (avg. 165)
Red 50 - 592cts (avg. 75)
Red/Brown (Cognac?) 100 - 366cts (avg. 120)
Orange (Padpradscha?) 10 - 65cts. (avg. 25) SUPER!
Peridot (Apple?) Green 25 - 120cts. (avg. 35)
Light Pink 20 - 700cts (avg. 35)
Medium Pink - all about 35cts.
Yellow - light 25 - 45cts. (avg. 35)
Yellow - medium - all about 35cts.
Yellow - dark 15 - 50cts. (avg. 35)
All the above at a FINAL price of $0.04/ct. (avg. retail = $0.08
Now the "Exotics"!!!
Green - shades vary from a lighter green with a touch of yellow
deeper green. 35 - 100 cts. (avg. 70)
Light Blue - looks a lot like mid-grade blue topaz in color.
Blue(s) - Medium blue to Teal color. Avg. about 150cts.
Electric Blue - WILD!!! 40 - 250cts. (avg. 100)
The Green/Blue are more expensive... $0.18/ct. (Avg. retail =
Let me know what size(s) you require and I will do my best to
$25 min. order, please.
Postage and insurance (at my cost) will be extra.
Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you
do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite
Rough to Cut
Facet polishing laps
Still have a couple of dozen Vargas Pol-A-Gem laps left. Only
in 6" size. There will be no more 8". Glenn really is
not interested in
fiddling with his lathe to correct his maching problems at 8".
He and his
protoge, Dick Rugel, will make more 6" if there is demand.
There is nothing
faster,better or more durable than a Pol-A-Gem for quartz,sunstone,
One lap should last a lifetime ....and they DO NOT SCRATCH. They
great on 8" machines. Lemme know your interest. Price delivered
in US is
Jerry Newman Gemart Services firstname.lastname@example.org
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
From: "P. Miklik" <email@example.com>
AVAILABLE FOR SALE
Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel
Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included
Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs
Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly
included, up to 1g.
Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g
Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer refused -
Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1
kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more
Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram
take the entire 300 grams
Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you
entire 300 grams
I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough
You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: firstname.lastname@example.org
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6" you can charge
both sides with
RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough for discriminating
We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality
in a variety of materials. Our most recent arrivals: Aug. 2
Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive
(PDF), email email@example.com and ask for "The Rough List."
For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host
first National and International Faceting Competition. It is called
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.' Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note: The designs
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."
information is needed, please contact me at <firstname.lastname@example.org>.
Canaveral Mineral & Gem Society is again presenting
our yearly gem show, the Parade of Gems, November 23rd and 24th
Melbourne auditorium, 625 E Hibiscus Blvd in Melbourne, FL, from
6PM. Admission is $3, with kids under 12 admitted free.
Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on
Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland,
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118.
We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank
you, John Withey
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.
The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.
The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.
For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.
Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: email@example.com
The Middle Tennessee Gem & Mineral Society, Inc. announces
22nd annual "Earth Treasures" Jewelry, Gem, Mineral
and Fossil Show.
There will be door prizes, auctions, exhibits, demonstrations
dealers from around the US.
The MTG&MS is a not-for-profit educational society, made
up of local
members from around Middle Tennessee, interested in the study,
and understanding of minerals, the earth's geological history,
making, and the polishing of gem stones. The profit from this
show and sale go to fund nine (9) scholarships at regional universities,
along with two Tennessee Elementary Schooll Earth Science projects
and two middle Tennessee Senior Citizens workshop programs.
Date: December 14-15, 2002
Time: 9 AM-6 PM Saturday & 10 AM-5 PM Sunday
Place: Creative Arts Building, Tennessee State Fairgrounds, Nashville,
Admission: $2.00 Adults, $0.50 High School Students, Under 12
free with an adult
Contact: Will Smith (615) 366-1022 Show Chairperson
Web Site: www.mtgms.org Email: willsmith.2@comcastnet
Exhibits: Show cases of Fossils, Minerals, Jewelry, cut and polished
Including local Elmwood minerals from the zinc mines at Carthage
Tennessee Paint Rock Agate from the mountains of Middle Tennessee
Demonstrations: Silversmithing, beading, wire wrapping, flint
knapping and faceting
Other activities: Hourly door prizes and silent auctions
Dealers will offer:
Gold and silver jewelry, mountings and repair
Colored gem stones & diamonds, loose or mounted in jewelry
Crystals and minerals from around the world including our local-world
golden calcites from Carthage
Fossils and artifacts including dinosaur life, marine life and
along with modern flint knapping
Tools and supplies for the above
Feel free to call if you have any questions. We appreciate your
help and support.
Roanoke Valley Mineral & Gem Society - 22nd Annual Show at
Salem Civic Center, Salem, VA 11/29-12/1/02. Thanks,Larry White
LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:
KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis
ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri)
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending
our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's
swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: firstname.lastname@example.org
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ email@example.com.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting
cabbing please e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org Thanks, Jim
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: email@example.com
firstname.lastname@example.org or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!
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