INTERNATIONAL FACETER'S ASSOCIATION
IFA FACETER'S DIGEST
Vol. 2, Issue No. 168 - Monday October 28, 2002
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Index to Today's Digest
01 Synthetic Quartz Question?
02 Re: Heat Treatment of Tanzanite
03 Re: Trip to Brazil
04 Buying Trip to Sri lanka
05 FACET FINDER
06 BIO- Tom Reddick
07 How To?
08 Victoria ll and Square Brilliant
09 datavue2 files
10 angles (reposted due to no answer)
Subject: Synthetic Quartz Question?
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:21:00 -0600
To: "IFA Faceters Digest" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: "TD Gunz" <email@example.com>
I haven't posted in a long while, but did have a question about
I recently bought about a half kilo of Deep Violet Amethyst, and
little Deep Madeira Citrine. It seems that running lengthwise
blocks is a thin clear band. I don't know how this'll affect the
face-up view of any stones cut suing the entire thickness.
The pieces I've bought in the past were cut from blocks and none
this line of clear running thru them, but then again they were
* Has anyone seen this before in Synthetic Quartz?
* Is it normal, or do I have a bad "batch?
* Do you know if it'll affect the cut stone much if it is parallel
to the table?
* Do I have to cut this material in half on that 'line' and use
Sorry to ask all the questions, but I was really hoping to cut
large stones from this material, as the blocks are about 17 to
thick. I know that's pretty big, but I was wanting a really big
Guess I could always buy "real" Amethyst and cut one.
I think the
price of 4 cents a carat got the better of me.
I forgot the cardinal rule of facet rough;
"Cheap rough isn't good, and good rough isn't cheap"
That's what I get for trying to "cheat" and using Synthetic
really nice evenly dark purple, instead of paying for some nice
Let me know about this if you've run across it.
Hi Todd, What you are probably seeing is the seed crystal plate
that the synthetic
crystals are grown on. As a general rule this section of the crystal
is excluded during
cutting since it can cause optical problems if left in the finished
Subject: RE: Vol. 2, Issue No. 166 - Thursday October 24, 2002
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:22:56 -0400
From: "Naomi Sarna" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Hello, In response to the question regarding heat treatment of
believe that New Era Gems has a recipe, or will do it for you.
I think the
recipe was in their catalogue. Good luck! Naomi in New York
Subject: RE: Vol. 2, Issue No. 167 - Friday October 25, 2002
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:26:03 -0400
From: "Naomi Sarna" <email@example.com>
Hello, I'd be VERY interested in a trip to Brazil, but I really
would need a
lot of advance time to be able to get away. After the first of
the year I
could help plan such an event so no one would have to do all the
Keep me posted, pardon the pun. Naomi in New York
Subject: Buying Trip to Sri lanka
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 07:58:00 +0600
From: Crescent Gems <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Talking of trips to Brazil . In anyone interested in coming to
Sri Lanka to
buy rough or native cut CEYLON Sapphires . the Air fair is US
$ 1200 for
the round trip and I can take you to the mines and markets. get
hand experience . PLUS get a holiday , sleep a day or two on the
get that Tan you always wanted. December is around the corner
is any one
getting ready ?
Email Me off line....
Subject: FACET FINDER
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:57:23 -0500
To: IFA <email@example.com>
From: gembin <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Hello List Members,
As a newbie, I have been most grateful to my friend Vincent Bishop
for taking me
under his wing to teach me the finer points of using the "Facet
Finder" to align
facets when changing laps and also when aligning facets to the
transferring dops as well as polishing the stone (using Newton's
great precision. The "Facet Finder" allows perfect alignment
need of 'touching' the stone to the lap and then viewing the facet
to see if it
is not aligned perfectly to the lap, thus requiring 'cheating'
alignment after the stone has been 'over cut' on one of the edges,
causing a 'convex' facet surface. Once you have become use to
using the "Facet
Finder" it only requires less than a minute to align the
facet to the lap and
greatly reduces the problem of 'grit balling up' thus scratching
the facet when
My reason for mentioning this is today I visited the web site
to read the
advantages of downloading the "BOG" program. Tom Herbst
has a page on his web
site that shows the method of aligning facets to the lap by the
use of a laser
in great detail. Tom also gives a good testimonial for Gearloose
on his web site
attesting the the BATT does FACET FLAT!
My question is this: I would be interested to have your view
of these two
methods. What are the pros and cons of these two methods and which
of them do
Yours for Flatter Facets,
Doug "Rhodolite" Smith
Alton, Illinois, USA (correction: where the Mississippi River
flows west to
east, NOT east to west)
Subject: BIO- Tom Reddick
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:12:27 EST
Good morning all,
Happy to have found this website and list. My thanks also for
information I have found so far in the Virtual Classroom.
As requested when I signed up- a brief bio. My name is Tom Reddick
and I live
in Texas. I have always been a rockhound, but first got interested
faceting while in high school about 10 years ago. Took some lessons
excellent local faceter and now have the time and resources to
pick it up
again and finally purchase my own machine (after a few more lessons
I guess the one thing that has really surprised me in coming
back to this
field is what has happened to pricing of rough!!! Is it just me,
or has a lot
of the material out there gotten very expensive? Indicolite is
stone, and I am now exceedingly grateful I pulled together a small,
stash back in high school when it was more affordable- ie $5-10
a gram for
true-blue clean material with an open c-axis.
Looking forward to reading and learning even more from all of
you. Would also
be grateful if anyone could advise on faceting machines. My teacher
great machine he told me is from the 1950s- I forgot the name
but it is a
giant green thing- and it is the only machine I have really ever
Just that he is not wanting to part with it last time I asked
A final request- any suggestions on good books or websites discussing
proper cutting orientation of tourmaline? I have been spending
out the axes on my rough and trying to visualize cuts, but I still
to learn- a lot more.
PS- To the gentleman who posted Friday on a rough buying trip
to Brazil. Have
not been to Sao Paolo, but was in Rio and several small towns
of Brazil last
November. I did not find any good gem rough. I checked around
and was told
that the main office and museum of H. Stern would be a potential
prices but you will get the finest material, things you cannot
get here in
the US. Otherwise, best to go direct to some of the mine towns
and buy on the
streets from vendors. The one thing everyone did tell me is that
purchases are necessary to get good deals and the best material
such that the
cost and time of the trip is justified. Hope this helps and have
trip. Be sure to locate a Sao Paolo branch of Porcao or Marius
if you want a
rodizio style feast you will never forget!
Subject: How To?
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:16:48 -0500
From: "Rich" <email@example.com>
It's been a while since posted, but I have this problem. I guess
could say I'm "Lucite Challenged".
I have been polishing with diamond on BATT, Zinc, Dyna (Ce and
Ceramic (yup, finally got that nac too). Here's the problem. I
tip to buy a couple of Lucite laps so I did. Basically all I am
is making one heck of a mess. My faceting area turns out looking
went crazy with baby powder. I mix up a mixture (milk type thickness)
put it on the lap and watch it run like it has a mind of it's
various parts (not where I need it of course). I haven't scored
laps,,,,,, yet. What's the trick folks. I start a polish, but
slower than pond water in late December (believe me, here in Indiana
that's pretty slow). I always end up pulling the lap and dropping
Dyna. I like the smoothness of the Lucite compared to the Dynas,
the Dynas have always been true to me.
Splashed in Lyons, IN
Subject: Victoria ll and Square Brilliant
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:45:15 -0500
To: FACETERS DIGEST <firstname.lastname@example.org>, email@example.com
From: Tom Pyles <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Does anyone have a GemCad diagram for Vargas Vol I, Victoria
II (p. 69) and
Square Brilliant (p.63) also I would prefer in 96 index if available.
From: peggy Franz <email@example.com>
Subject: datavue2 files
Can anyone help me about where I can find/download the datavue2
for the new GemCad Windows version which I am currently testing?
a copy of the datavue2 files but in GemCad I only get the picture
each facet diagram and no cutting detail or instructions. Thanks.
From: "N & I Pearse" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: FW: Vol. 2, Issue No. 131 - Tuesday, September 3, 2002
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:33:49 +1000
thurmond,never received one replyto my question
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:18:26 +1000
From: "N & I Pearse" <email@example.com>
hi,this is nev another lurker who has been reading
with interest all thecomments in the digest
As a recently new faceter, could someone please
explain the relation of pavilion and crown angles.I realise
it is tied up with RI's but can't relate
the different angles used by some faceters.eg in a
SRB for Zrcon the
pavilion angles are 43 deg for break facets and 41
for mains.and 40 break 35main and 20 stars. yet the cutters
on the sapphire
fields cut 51 deg break,47 mains and a culet facet at 41 on the
pavilion.and 48 ,40 and 25 on the crown. with results of a
beautiful gem.I do not have Gemcad so can't
understand these angles.Also how much
can pavilion and crown angles be changed. Perhaps
someone can enlighten me
Can anyone help with the above question?
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REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
Hi Each & Every One of You!
Well, here it is colder than normal for this time of year. The
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padded from cold winter's air, squirrels are squirreling away
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Ah, yes.. it is approaching that time on the calendar when good
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his list and
checking it twice, it is truly the season to be good, excited
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ribbons enclosing objects to be shaken trying to determine what
they contain, trees and bushes decked out with displays of colored
the roadways, snow softly covering the countryside with it's
blanket of white,
what a joyful time for children of all ages both young and old!
Yes... Christmas is coming, the Star In The East guiding the
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blinking in the skies overhead! Christmas is just but two months
dear loved ones of mine, don't forget grandpa's presents, now
that's the end of
Your Loving Grandpa...
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Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1
kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more
Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram
take the entire 300 grams
Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you
entire 300 grams
I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough
You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: email@example.com
RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough for discriminating
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Hello all, I still have a Xristal-Tek87 for sale. I am reducing
because I really have to sell this fine machine. I have cut maybe
on it. It is basically brand new and in perfect condition. It
has the 8"
adapter ring on it and the dial indicator. It is a very sturdy
machine. I am reducing the price to $900 and will still consider
IFA Faceters Digest Members:
I am now accepting cutting orders for high quality American Facetting
specializing in Barions and Portuguese Cuts as well as repairs.
32 have been cutting for 15 years and have been recently laid
my company where I was a medical software salesman. So now it's
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Diamond cutting and repair available two, including recutting
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Melbourne auditorium, 625 E Hibiscus Blvd in Melbourne, FL, from
6PM. Admission is $3, with kids under 12 admitted free.
Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on
Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland,
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118.
We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank
you, John Withey
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
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The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
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KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from
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Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
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ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri)
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending
our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's
swell to meet
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Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: email@example.com
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ firstname.lastname@example.org.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting
cabbing please e-mail me at email@example.com Thanks, Jim
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: firstname.lastname@example.org
email@example.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
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