Vol. 2, Issue No. 168 - Monday October 28, 2002
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Index to Today's Digest

01 Synthetic Quartz Question?
02 Re: Heat Treatment of Tanzanite
03 Re: Trip to Brazil
04 Buying Trip to Sri lanka
06 BIO- Tom Reddick
07 How To?
08 Victoria ll and Square Brilliant
09 datavue2 files
10 angles (reposted due to no answer)



Subject: Synthetic Quartz Question?
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:21:00 -0600
To: "IFA Faceters Digest" <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "TD Gunz" <td_gunz@yahoo.com>

Hi all,

I haven't posted in a long while, but did have a question about
Synthetic Quartz;
I recently bought about a half kilo of Deep Violet Amethyst, and a
little Deep Madeira Citrine. It seems that running lengthwise thru the
blocks is a thin clear band. I don't know how this'll affect the
face-up view of any stones cut suing the entire thickness.
The pieces I've bought in the past were cut from blocks and none had
this line of clear running thru them, but then again they were smaller
cut pieces.
* Has anyone seen this before in Synthetic Quartz?
* Is it normal, or do I have a bad "batch?
* Do you know if it'll affect the cut stone much if it is parallel
to the table?
* Do I have to cut this material in half on that 'line' and use it
that way?
Sorry to ask all the questions, but I was really hoping to cut some
large stones from this material, as the blocks are about 17 to 18mm
thick. I know that's pretty big, but I was wanting a really big nice
Guess I could always buy "real" Amethyst and cut one. I think the
price of 4 cents a carat got the better of me.
I forgot the cardinal rule of facet rough;
"Cheap rough isn't good, and good rough isn't cheap"
That's what I get for trying to "cheat" and using Synthetic for a
really nice evenly dark purple, instead of paying for some nice crystal
Let me know about this if you've run across it.


Hi Todd, What you are probably seeing is the seed crystal plate that the synthetic
crystals are grown on. As a general rule this section of the crystal is excluded during
cutting since it can cause optical problems if left in the finished gem.



Subject: RE: Vol. 2, Issue No. 166 - Thursday October 24, 2002
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:22:56 -0400
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Naomi Sarna" <nsarna@earthlink.net>

Hello, In response to the question regarding heat treatment of tanzanite, I
believe that New Era Gems has a recipe, or will do it for you. I think the
recipe was in their catalogue. Good luck! Naomi in New York



Subject: RE: Vol. 2, Issue No. 167 - Friday October 25, 2002
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:26:03 -0400
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Naomi Sarna" <nsarna@earthlink.net>

Hello, I'd be VERY interested in a trip to Brazil, but I really would need a
lot of advance time to be able to get away. After the first of the year I
could help plan such an event so no one would have to do all the work alone.
Keep me posted, pardon the pun. Naomi in New York



Subject: Buying Trip to Sri lanka
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 07:58:00 +0600
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Crescent Gems <webmaster@closeadeal.com>

Talking of trips to Brazil . In anyone interested in coming to Sri Lanka to
buy rough or native cut CEYLON Sapphires . the Air fair is US $ 1200 for
the round trip and I can take you to the mines and markets. get a first
hand experience . PLUS get a holiday , sleep a day or two on the beach and
get that Tan you always wanted. December is around the corner is any one
getting ready ?

Email Me off line....

Ahmed Shareek


Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:57:23 -0500
To: IFA <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: gembin <gembin@spiff.net>

Hello List Members,

As a newbie, I have been most grateful to my friend Vincent Bishop for taking me
under his wing to teach me the finer points of using the "Facet Finder" to align
facets when changing laps and also when aligning facets to the lap after
transferring dops as well as polishing the stone (using Newton's Rings) with
great precision. The "Facet Finder" allows perfect alignment eliminating the
need of 'touching' the stone to the lap and then viewing the facet to see if it
is not aligned perfectly to the lap, thus requiring 'cheating' to correct
alignment after the stone has been 'over cut' on one of the edges, possibly
causing a 'convex' facet surface. Once you have become use to using the "Facet
Finder" it only requires less than a minute to align the facet to the lap and
greatly reduces the problem of 'grit balling up' thus scratching the facet when

My reason for mentioning this is today I visited the web site to read the
advantages of downloading the "BOG" program. Tom Herbst has a page on his web
site that shows the method of aligning facets to the lap by the use of a laser
in great detail. Tom also gives a good testimonial for Gearloose on his web site
attesting the the BATT does FACET FLAT!


My question is this: I would be interested to have your view of these two
methods. What are the pros and cons of these two methods and which of them do
you prefer?

Yours for Flatter Facets,
Doug "Rhodolite" Smith
Alton, Illinois, USA (correction: where the Mississippi River flows west to
east, NOT east to west)



Subject: BIO- Tom Reddick
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:12:27 EST
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Elpaninaro@aol.com

Good morning all,

Happy to have found this website and list. My thanks also for the excellent
information I have found so far in the Virtual Classroom.

As requested when I signed up- a brief bio. My name is Tom Reddick and I live
in Texas. I have always been a rockhound, but first got interested in
faceting while in high school about 10 years ago. Took some lessons from an
excellent local faceter and now have the time and resources to pick it up
again and finally purchase my own machine (after a few more lessons of

I guess the one thing that has really surprised me in coming back to this
field is what has happened to pricing of rough!!! Is it just me, or has a lot
of the material out there gotten very expensive? Indicolite is my favorite
stone, and I am now exceedingly grateful I pulled together a small, but nice,
stash back in high school when it was more affordable- ie $5-10 a gram for
true-blue clean material with an open c-axis.

Looking forward to reading and learning even more from all of you. Would also
be grateful if anyone could advise on faceting machines. My teacher has a
great machine he told me is from the 1950s- I forgot the name but it is a
giant green thing- and it is the only machine I have really ever loved using.
Just that he is not wanting to part with it last time I asked LOL.

A final request- any suggestions on good books or websites discussing the
proper cutting orientation of tourmaline? I have been spending time checking
out the axes on my rough and trying to visualize cuts, but I still have more
to learn- a lot more.

Take care,


PS- To the gentleman who posted Friday on a rough buying trip to Brazil. Have
not been to Sao Paolo, but was in Rio and several small towns of Brazil last
November. I did not find any good gem rough. I checked around and was told
that the main office and museum of H. Stern would be a potential source- high
prices but you will get the finest material, things you cannot get here in
the US. Otherwise, best to go direct to some of the mine towns and buy on the
streets from vendors. The one thing everyone did tell me is that large
purchases are necessary to get good deals and the best material such that the
cost and time of the trip is justified. Hope this helps and have a great
trip. Be sure to locate a Sao Paolo branch of Porcao or Marius if you want a
rodizio style feast you will never forget!



Subject: How To?
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:16:48 -0500
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Rich" <richtherm@bluemarble.net>

Hi all,

It's been a while since posted, but I have this problem. I guess you
could say I'm "Lucite Challenged".

I have been polishing with diamond on BATT, Zinc, Dyna (Ce and AL) and
Ceramic (yup, finally got that nac too). Here's the problem. I had a
tip to buy a couple of Lucite laps so I did. Basically all I am doing
is making one heck of a mess. My faceting area turns out looking like I
went crazy with baby powder. I mix up a mixture (milk type thickness)
put it on the lap and watch it run like it has a mind of it's own to
various parts (not where I need it of course). I haven't scored the
laps,,,,,, yet. What's the trick folks. I start a polish, but its
slower than pond water in late December (believe me, here in Indiana
that's pretty slow). I always end up pulling the lap and dropping on a
Dyna. I like the smoothness of the Lucite compared to the Dynas, but
the Dynas have always been true to me.

Rich Ashcraft
Splashed in Lyons, IN



Subject: Victoria ll and Square Brilliant
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:45:15 -0500
To: FACETERS DIGEST <faceters@caprock-spur.com>, tgfdd@faceters.info
From: Tom Pyles <zpyles@comcast.net>

Does anyone have a GemCad diagram for Vargas Vol I, Victoria II (p. 69) and
Square Brilliant (p.63) also I would prefer in 96 index if available.

Tom Pyes



From: peggy Franz <pfranz3444@gci.net>
Subject: datavue2 files

Can anyone help me about where I can find/download the datavue2 files
for the new GemCad Windows version which I am currently testing? I have
a copy of the datavue2 files but in GemCad I only get the picture of
each facet diagram and no cutting detail or instructions. Thanks.

Chet Franz-Alaska.



From: "N & I Pearse" <nipearse@mackay.net.au>
To: <owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com>
Subject: FW: Vol. 2, Issue No. 131 - Tuesday, September 3, 2002
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:33:49 +1000

thurmond,never received one replyto my question

Subject: angles
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:18:26 +1000
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "N & I Pearse" <nipearse@mackay.net.au>

hi,this is nev another lurker who has been reading
with interest all thecomments in the digest
As a recently new faceter, could someone please
explain the relation of pavilion and crown angles.I realise
it is tied up with RI's but can't relate
the different angles used by some faceters.eg in a
SRB for Zrcon the
pavilion angles are 43 deg for break facets and 41
for mains.and 40 break 35main and 20 stars. yet the cutters
on the sapphire
fields cut 51 deg break,47 mains and a culet facet at 41 on the
pavilion.and 48 ,40 and 25 on the crown. with results of a
beautiful gem.I do not have Gemcad so can't
understand these angles.Also how much
can pavilion and crown angles be changed. Perhaps
someone can enlighten me



Can anyone help with the above question?



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Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: tgibbs@compuserve.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

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they did it by killing all those who opposed them.

If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos..
you probably haven't completely understood the seriousness of the situation.

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Doing the job WRONG fourteen times gives you job security.

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Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.

Go the extra mile. It makes your boss look like an incompetent slacker.

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Aim Low, Reach Your Goals, Avoid Disappointment.



Hi Each & Every One of You!

Well, here it is colder than normal for this time of year. The mums are in full
bloom, tree's leaves are wearing their fall colors, rabbits have their burros
padded from cold winter's air, squirrels are squirreling away their nuts by the
lane, birds are still singing and looking for worms, children are in full swing
with their school work and their friends, while children are sipping cider and
have visions of sugar plums dancing in their heads!!!

Ah, yes.. it is approaching that time on the calendar when good cheer is held by

everyone, stores have their shelves stocked to the brim with products of bright
colors, catching the eyes of little rug runners, someone is making his list and
checking it twice, it is truly the season to be good, excited and jolly!!!

Two more months is fast approaching to the merriment of many, wrappings with
ribbons enclosing objects to be shaken trying to determine what hidden treasure
they contain, trees and bushes decked out with displays of colored lights lining

the roadways, snow softly covering the countryside with it's blanket of white,
what a joyful time for children of all ages both young and old!

Yes... Christmas is coming, the Star In The East guiding the sleigh pulled with
eight tiny raindeer.. a red nose in lead shining bright like a bead, Santa's bag

full of surprises to slip under the tree, eating his cookies and drinking his
milk in a moment of glee, while children are dreaming of dwarfs decked in green
tights with hoods tied with ribbons the color of red, stars twinkling and
blinking in the skies overhead! Christmas is just but two months from tonight,
dear loved ones of mine, don't forget grandpa's presents, now that's the end of
my line!!!

Your Loving Grandpa...



Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer refused -

Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1 kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more

Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram if you
take the entire 300 grams

Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you take the
entire 300 grams

I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the web -
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough

You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: wntrhill@somtel.com


RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough for discriminating gem-cutters."
We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality gem rough
in a variety of materials. Our most recent arrivals: Aug. 2 ­ Aquamarine,
Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive e-flyer
(PDF), email rrgaetan@san.rr.com and ask for "The Rough List."


Hello all, I still have a Xristal-Tek87 for sale. I am reducing the price
because I really have to sell this fine machine. I have cut maybe 15 stones
on it. It is basically brand new and in perfect condition. It has the 8"
adapter ring on it and the dial indicator. It is a very sturdy rugged
machine. I am reducing the price to $900 and will still consider all

Thank you,
David Creviston
Atlanta, Georgia


IFA Faceters Digest Members:

I am now accepting cutting orders for high quality American Facetting
specializing in Barions and Portuguese Cuts as well as repairs. I am
32 have been cutting for 15 years and have been recently laid off from
my company where I was a medical software salesman. So now it's back to
gemcutting and jewelry. I also offer extremely reliable, high quality
overseas cutting to your diagrams and specs with a 4-6 week turn around.
Diamond cutting and repair available two, including recutting of
chipped melee. Please contact Tyler Allen Atlanta GA
770-393-2547 t.allen@mindspring.com




Praha 3, Italska 5, 29.Mineral Gem Exhibition (under National Museum
sponsorship), Oct.19-20.02, 8 AM-5 PM.




Canaveral Mineral & Gem Society is again presenting
our yearly gem show, the Parade of Gems, November 23rd and 24th at the
Melbourne auditorium, 625 E Hibiscus Blvd in Melbourne, FL, from 10AM to
6PM. Admission is $3, with kids under 12 admitted free.


Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland, Florida.
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118. We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank you, John Withey



Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.

The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: glennklein@yahoo.com



CALIFORNIA (Southern): All persons in the Greater Riverside area (of
Southern California) are invited to attend our faceting classes and "get
togethers" which are held once per month. If you would like to join us and
meet fellow faceters, please contact me anytime at: paulahlstedt@earthlink.net ~
Paul Ahlstedt

KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

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