Vol. 2, Issue No. 164 - Tuesday October 22, 2002
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Index to Today's Digest


01 Re: heating of topaz
02 Jubilee Project Update
03 amboy field trip
04 fire agate?
05 Hello From Maine..........brrrrrrrrrrr
06 IFA Field Trip



Subject: Re: heating of topaz
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:03:32 -0500
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Downey <alckytxn@swbell.net>

> Subject: heating of topaz
> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 22:37:32 -0700 (PDT)
> To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
> From: sajjad ali <mu237@yahoo.com>
> Hi everybody,
> I have a lot of Topaz, and I
> wanted to heat it. If someone help me in this line,
> and give me a detail information by email.
> Or someone have second hand book about enhancement of
> jemstone or other informations please I shall pay to
> them. They should sent me their book on my postal
> address by V,P post. Thank you.
> Yours
> Sajjad Ali
> My email is mu237@yahoo.com
> My postal add.. Sajjad Ali c/o Murad Ali shinwari
> Ashraf Khel Landi Kotal
> Khyber Agency NWFP

Howdy Sajjad,

If you are trying to alter 'white' (clear) topaz to blue ,I believe they
must first be irradiated to brown, then heat treated to blue. Perhaps
others here will have more details.

1 Lucky Texan



Subject: Jubilee Project Update
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:06:52 +0100
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Michael Hing <post@maiko.demon.co.uk>

Dear All,

Update on the Jubilee Project: Hilmar Bosch has prepared a catalogue of
stones to pick from. If you e-mail him on boschgem@futurenet.co.za
(mentioning the "Jubilee Project"), he'll send you details of prices and
weights, and a photo of the rough by the piece. To get the best pieces,
better e-mail him quick! The gems are a very rich red-orange colour
which didn't come out well in the picture, but you will get the idea.

The runaway winner of the design contest was Jeff Graham's Classic I
cut. No other design even came close, the others only polled a couple
of votes each. My design came last... with one vote (gee, wonder who
that was! Didn't anyone else like it at all?!).

However, I still have to see if Jeff Graham will grant us permission to
use the design. Presumably some of us have purchased his design books
but others haven't. If not, then we'll have to re-think.

When you receive your stones, please don't start cutting them until we
get organised. If you get two stones, then it probably makes sense for
you to cut a matched pair. The people cutting individual stones will
need to be paired up.





Subject: Amboy Field Trip
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:16:27 -0700 (PDT)
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Dave Thompson <djt@irastro.caltech.edu>

Thank you, Paul, I had a blast! That was my first collecting
trip with any real organization, and it was a lot of fun. It was
nice meeting everyone there (we had a total of 10), too. We collected
pretty steadily for about 5 hours. As for the Peridot, the best cutter
I found was 8.0ct and should cut a nice medium green stone in the 7-8mm
range. Definitely a keeper! After that, things got rapidly smaller,
but I found a few that will cut 3-4mm stones. All total, I picked up
just under 90ct of Peridot, most of which is clean but well below 3mm.
I'll try to get some pics up in the near future.




Subject: fire agate?
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 22:33:03 -0700
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Larry McCoy" <larrymccoy2000@hotmail.com>

Hi gang, I am trying to get contact information for the "Opal Hill" fire
agate mine that is located just west of Blythe. I used to go there to mine
when the owner was a lady named Helan Madden.

thanks for any help




Subject: Hello From Maine..........brrrrrrrrrrr
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:27:02 -0400
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "kulaczp" <kulaczp@pivot.net>

We had a great summer mining for beryl and amethyst here in Maine. TLC
Channel found out about the Deerhill Digs and will be coming to Maine to do
a story about it. Did not get into major carat quantities but found numerous
pockets with smokey and amethyst mixes plates and crystals.
I came across a find of (1) sphalerite crystal from Spain, huge and gem
quality. If you would like to see it visit the listed link below.
nice to be back on line with you guys, did not do much cutting , but have
plenty of rough now for 5 winters work..
Peter in Maine




Subject: IFA Field Trip
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Paul Ahlstedt

Our field trip to Dish Hill this weekend was a good one, we had some very nice
peridots collected - many of which were true prizes in the 10ct. range and
nice apple green.

We all met at the gas station in Amboy Saturday morning, with the exception of
George whom caught up with us later. We then caravaned out to the site, and
those that had four wheel drive drove to the site once we left the road. We
then spread out searching for peridot, and the field investigation lasted
about 4 hours from 7:30am to 1:30pm. Dave Thompson was the "big kahuna" of
the day as he collected some true whoppers that will cut very fine gemstones.
We were also fortunate to find out that Patty Miklik is a degreed geologist,
and she answered many of the questions we had about the geology of the area.

After the trip, Don invited us over to his mobil home which was parked out in
the desert for margaritas. Sue and I had a nice visit with Don and family and
friend, and I am also grateful for their immediate first aid when I had a bit
of a choking problem due to a rather large hunk of salt which was lodged in my
throat from the margarita glass rim - a fast move for a bottle of water cured
the problem in no time short! LOL!

After that, Sue and I headed back home in her 4x4, and Sue took many
photographs of the area and our group for the web. All things being equal
however, my greatest find this weekend was a group of truly nice people that I
hope will be friends with Sue and I for a long time to come. I have to thank
all of them from coming along, and especially Don's wife who celebrated her
birthday that day with us in the field collecting peridot.

The whole time we were there, NOBODY asked a single faceting question of me.
that is how enthusiastic everyone was and concentrating on finding gems!




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Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: tgibbs@compuserve.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

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An applicant was filling out a job application. When he came
to the question, "Have you ever been arrested?" he wrote, "No."

The next question, intended for people who had answered in
the affirmative to the previous question, was "Why?"

The applicant answered it anyway: "Never got caught."




1. Throw out non-essential numbers. This includes age,
weight and height. Let the doctor worry about them. That is why
you pay him/her.

2. Keep only cheerful friends. The grouches pull you down.

3. Keep learning. Learn more about the computer, crafts,
gardening, whatever. Never let the brain idle. " An idle mind is
the devil's workshop." And the devil's name is Alzheimer's.

4. Enjoy the simple things.

5. Laugh often, long and loud. Laugh until you gasp for breath.

6. The tears happen. Endure, grieve, and move on. The only
person who is with us our entire life, is ourselves. Be ALIVE
while you are alive.

7. Surround yourself with what you love, whether it's
family, pets, keepsakes, music, plants, hobbies, whatever. Your
home is your refuge.

8. Cherish your health: If it is good, preserve it. If it is
unstable,improve it. If it is beyond what you can improve, get help.

9. Don't take guilt trips. Take a trip to the mall, to the next
county,to a foreign country, but NOT to where the guilt is.

10. Tell the people you love that you love them, at every

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take,
but by the moments that take our breath away.

May you feel the magic in your life every day, and learn to be the
magic in every moment.



Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer refused -

Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1 kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more

Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram if you
take the entire 300 grams

Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you take the
entire 300 grams

I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the web -
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough

You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: wntrhill@somtel.com


RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough for discriminating gem-cutters."
We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality gem rough
in a variety of materials. Our most recent arrivals: Aug. 2 ­ Aquamarine,
Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive e-flyer
(PDF), email rrgaetan@san.rr.com and ask for "The Rough List."


Hello all, I still have a Xristal-Tek87 for sale. I am reducing the price
because I really have to sell this fine machine. I have cut maybe 15 stones
on it. It is basically brand new and in perfect condition. It has the 8"
adapter ring on it and the dial indicator. It is a very sturdy rugged
machine. I am reducing the price to $900 and will still consider all

Thank you,
David Creviston
Atlanta, Georgia


IFA Faceters Digest Members:

I am now accepting cutting orders for high quality American Facetting
specializing in Barions and Portuguese Cuts as well as repairs. I am
32 have been cutting for 15 years and have been recently laid off from
my company where I was a medical software salesman. So now it's back to
gemcutting and jewelry. I also offer extremely reliable, high quality
overseas cutting to your diagrams and specs with a 4-6 week turn around.
Diamond cutting and repair available two, including recutting of
chipped melee. Please contact Tyler Allen Atlanta GA
770-393-2547 t.allen@mindspring.com




Praha 3, Italska 5, 29.Mineral Gem Exhibition (under National Museum
sponsorship), Oct.19-20.02, 8 AM-5 PM.




Canaveral Mineral & Gem Society is again presenting
our yearly gem show, the Parade of Gems, November 23rd and 24th at the
Melbourne auditorium, 625 E Hibiscus Blvd in Melbourne, FL, from 10AM to
6PM. Admission is $3, with kids under 12 admitted free.


Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland, Florida.
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118. We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank you, John Withey



Oct 19-20 Open 10 AM El Cajon Valley Gem & Mineral
Society " Treasures of the Earth " show. Masonic Temple 695
Ballantyne St, El Cajon.
Donation: Adults $2.50 Exhibits, Dealers, Demonstrations, Free Gem
Identification. For more local info contact 619-444-3183
Plenty of facet rough will be available


Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.

The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: glennklein@yahoo.com



CALIFORNIA (Southern): All persons in the Greater Riverside area (of
Southern California) are invited to attend our faceting classes and "get
togethers" which are held once per month. If you would like to join us and
meet fellow faceters, please contact me anytime at: paulahlstedt@earthlink.net ~
Paul Ahlstedt

KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!

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