Vol. 2, Issue No. 160 - Wednesday October 16, 2002
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From the Moderator

Today I am begining a new section of the digest.
It will be called the "Sand Box" . The purpose of this
section is to contain content not necessarily on topic for
the rest of the digest, i.e. not faceting or lapidary in nature.
The list needs more technical discussion, education for the members
and sharing of lapidary knowledge. All topics not directly related to the
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the bottom of the list so those interested can go there and those not
interested need not scroll down to that location. (the location was chosen
so as not to change the current "look" of the Digest. The main body of the
list will now only allow faceting and lapidary discussion of a learning nature.
All other information of any kind will be relegated to the "Sand Box". The "Box"
will NOT appear in the Digest on the IFA Website.

As with all sand boxes it may be a dirty place with sand flying so don't
go there unless you expect to get sand in inappropriate places. (LOL)


Index to Today's Digest


02 Re: immersion fluid
03 Gearloose on Vacation!



Subject: RAYTECH
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:35:38 -0400
To: FACETERS DIGEST <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Tom Pyles <zpyles@comcast.net>

I have a Raytech faceting machine and have been using it for about three years.
Lately I notice that when I apply pressure on the lap it slows down more than usual.
If I letup some it takes a second and goes back to regular speed. I assume it is
probably belt driven and I need a new belt. If this seems to be the case can
someone instruct me in opening and changing the belt. Does the machine need
to be re-calibrated after a belt is changed?

Tom Pyles



Subject: Re: immersion fluid
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:06:21 -0500
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Downey <alckytxn@swbell.net>

> Message:04
> Subject: RE: Vol. 2, Issue No. 158 - Monday October 14, 2002
> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:16:05 -0400
> To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
> From: "Naomi Sarna" <nsarna@earthlink.net>
> Hello and thanks Paul, I've already come to the same conclusion. I hope you
> plan another field trip of a little greater complexity in the near future.
> Also, John Huck mentioned many months ago using Karo syrup to find the ideal
> location of stars in rough. I've been using it as an immersion fluid;
> fractures and inclusions seems to show up in it quite well, but most of my
> work is on quartz. Does anyone know what it's refractive index is? It's
> not toxic, doesn't smell bad, washes off easily, stays on long enough for a
> beginner like me to really get a good look. Not bad for cheap stuff that
> doesn't evaporate fast. Regards, Naomi in New York

Howdy Naomi,

I have been an advocate in the past for the use of corn syrup as a safe,
inexpensive and readily available immersion fluid. I was taught as a
teenager to use a drop of chilled honey for examination of star rough
and I recall it did help me with a star garnet. A little internet
research indicates corn syrup can approach RI 1.5 . This and previously
mentioned attributes make it a much more reasonable choice
than the often listed Toluol. It won't work as well as Refractol or
cinnamic aldehyde, but it also won't melt plastic or stink like the Red
Hots factory! It's a sweet deal!

1 Lucky Texan



Subject: Gearloose on Vacation!
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:42:18 -0400
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

I will be going silent for about ten days, beginning Friday! Jaguar Lady
has demanded that we attend the Food and Wine festival at WDW again this year.
It has been a good but busy year; At work I have filed eleven patent
applications since February (Always glad to help the needy lawyers at
Morgan Lewis!)
And BATTs. I mailed my dealers warning them about the upcoming
vacation. Had a TSUNAMI of orders!
I am out of laps, out of metal, out of boxes, out of that stupid
bubblepack, and even ran out of INK printing shipping labels.
So I need a break. The "Wine" part sounds good right now.
Thanks to all the users who from the beginning took a "chance" on a new
product, and then told their friends!



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Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: info@ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: tgibbs@compuserve.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

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Hello all, I still have a Xristal-Tek87 for sale. I am reducing the price
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Thank you,
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Atlanta, Georgia


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Plenty of facet rough will be available


Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
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The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
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For information & costs regarding the Faceters
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24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: glennklein@yahoo.com


CALIFORNIA (Southern): All persons in the Greater Riverside area (of
Southern California) are invited to attend our faceting classes and "get
togethers" which are held once per month. If you would like to join us and
meet fellow faceters, please contact me anytime at: paulahlstedt@earthlink.net ~
Paul Ahlstedt

KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
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ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
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Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

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Subject: Astonishment
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:24:07 -0700
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Paul T. Ahlstedt"<paulahlstedt@earthlink.net>

""I, for one, am astonished that someone who is, supposedly, so dedicated to
the faceting community would go so far as to encourage faceters to boycott an
event of this stature. If the members of this list who sent you letters also
sent them to the Symposium staff, I am sure they got the message . . . or
could there be
another agenda here that we don't know about?
Jim Daniels""

Yes Jim,

There is another agenda at work that I have not revealed yet - I was hoping
that Glenn would have the common decency to disclose this and correct that
matter, however this is not going to happen apparently.

So, what has happened specifically is that I volunteered to speak at the
Symposium a few weeks ago. Glenn responded with two letters, and each were
very illuminating and contained considerable untruth and manipulation.

Let me begin at the beginning however, and state that Thurmond wrote Glenn
when he discovered that I was being barred to find out why. Glenn responded
with a long letter which was COMPLELETY dishonest, and which contained a
multitude of discrepencies in relation to the letters he sent me. Thurmond
never published that letter as I composed a post to blast it, and Glenn backed

However, here are the particulars:

1) Glenn is making the public statement that he and his staff made a list of
people that they were going to solicit to present this next year, and I simply
was not on that list - and that is Glenn's public reason and statement for why
I am not speaking and why I was not invited. However,...

2) In Glenn's letter's to me, he states that he and his staff decided to bar
me because of Bob Keller - and this is the REAL reason that you all are being
lied to about.

Now, in as much as the public is going to suffer because ONE PERSON does not
want me there (Bob Keller), I would have thought that at least Glenn and his
staff would re-weigh this situation and do the fair and honest thing, and
reverse their decision concerning me. This has not happened though, and that
was my reason for suggesting that the event is boycotted which would send a
strong message to them.

Believe me Jim, I find this all very distasteful and I don't like having to do
it - but I have just become so fed up with all the liars, criminals and theifs
out there that I decided this has to end. It already was a partial reason for
me leaving the net as it is.

In closing, Glenn said something very interesting in one of the letters which
was that the public simply doesn't care about all the BS happening out there,
and that they just want to talk about and enjoy faceting. I don't think that
is true at all - I think that you all want to know if you are being lied to,
ripped off, or being made the target of a scam. If I am wrong about this,
then someone please let me know and I will gladly crawl into a hole someplace
and shut up. Until then, I will continue to protect and act in the best
interest of the public and disclose what I find out about moral and criminal
misconduct. I think you all want to know. I would if the situation was

On another note, be sure to check out the rough that Jerry and I collected on
Friday, and the details of the rough collection trip this weekend - you can
still RSVP and reserve a space if you write me quick! The webpage for the
trip is at: http://www.gemking.com/preview/


From: "Paul T. Ahlstedt"<paulahlstedt@earthlink.net>

Hi gang,

As of this writing, I have not received a single request that I NOT BE allowed
to present at the Faceter's Symposium. Rather, letters are still dribbling
in, albeit at a much slower rate than in the beginning. Please do write in
with a request to the Symposium Board to allow me to present, or with a
request NOT to allow me to present at your convenience. I will continue to
take these and compile them through the end of the year.

I also had one very interesting letter come in today which I wanted to share
because I think that it best reflects the wishes of the the members of the
International Faceter's Association, and I have attached it next with the name
stripped. Everyone have a good day, and remember that there is strength in
numbers, and we can ALL effect a change if we work together. It is not my
intention to create a war here however, it just seems to me that this is an
improper and highly inappropriate situation that needs to be addressed

[begin member letter]

Hello Pissl;

I am not very "vocal" when it comes to posting to the IFA list but I follow
the posts avidly, and try to absorb as much information as possible. I am a
self taught facetor and the data presented by you and many others on the list
has been like a college course in the art of faceting.

I don't know Glenn Klein but it is difficult for me to understand why he
should have such a dictatorially narrow view in the presentation of data.
Open sources of information is one of the things this country, and our
society, is based on. Perhaps he has a closed list of presenters, thereby
controlling the amount and type of information which is available, if that's
the case, shame on you Glenn Klein. Under those circumstances, I would not
consider attending such a meeting.

I request the symposium board to reconsider their decision to exclude Piss
Asstedt, and his presentation, and allow the attendees the right to decide
for themselves if his data is good for them. I feel there is never enough
information, in whatever field, and I should be allowed access to as much, and
as varied a selection, as I can absorb. This is the kind of thing one would
expect from some other country, not here in America.

Stick to your guns Piss. You have a large and varied group of people behind
you, and I suspect we speak with one voice.

The best to you,

Name withheld