INTERNATIONAL FACETER'S ASSOCIATION
IFA FACETER'S DIGEST
Vol. 2, Issue No. 160 - Wednesday October 16, 2002
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Index to Today's Digest
02 Re: immersion fluid
03 Gearloose on Vacation!
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:35:38 -0400
To: FACETERS DIGEST <email@example.com>
From: Tom Pyles <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I have a Raytech faceting machine and have been using it for
about three years.
Lately I notice that when I apply pressure on the lap it slows
down more than usual.
If I letup some it takes a second and goes back to regular speed.
I assume it is
probably belt driven and I need a new belt. If this seems to be
the case can
someone instruct me in opening and changing the belt. Does the
to be re-calibrated after a belt is changed?
Subject: Re: immersion fluid
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:06:21 -0500
From: Downey <email@example.com>
> Subject: RE: Vol. 2, Issue No. 158 - Monday October 14, 2002
> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:16:05 -0400
> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> From: "Naomi Sarna" <email@example.com>
> Hello and thanks Paul, I've already come to the same conclusion.
I hope you
> plan another field trip of a little greater complexity in
the near future.
> Also, John Huck mentioned many months ago using Karo syrup
to find the ideal
> location of stars in rough. I've been using it as an immersion
> fractures and inclusions seems to show up in it quite well,
but most of my
> work is on quartz. Does anyone know what it's refractive
index is? It's
> not toxic, doesn't smell bad, washes off easily, stays on
long enough for a
> beginner like me to really get a good look. Not bad for cheap
> doesn't evaporate fast. Regards, Naomi in New York
I have been an advocate in the past for the use of corn syrup
as a safe,
inexpensive and readily available immersion fluid. I was taught
teenager to use a drop of chilled honey for examination of star
and I recall it did help me with a star garnet. A little internet
research indicates corn syrup can approach RI 1.5 . This and previously
mentioned attributes make it a much more reasonable choice
than the often listed Toluol. It won't work as well as Refractol
cinnamic aldehyde, but it also won't melt plastic or stink like
Hots factory! It's a sweet deal!
1 Lucky Texan
Subject: Gearloose on Vacation!
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:42:18 -0400
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I will be going silent for about ten days, beginning Friday!
has demanded that we attend the Food and Wine festival at WDW
again this year.
It has been a good but busy year; At work I have filed eleven
applications since February (Always glad to help the needy lawyers
And BATTs. I mailed my dealers warning them about the upcoming
vacation. Had a TSUNAMI of orders!
I am out of laps, out of metal, out of boxes, out of that stupid
bubblepack, and even ran out of INK printing shipping labels.
So I need a break. The "Wine" part sounds good right
Thanks to all the users who from the beginning took a "chance"
on a new
product, and then told their friends!
RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~
Bombay Bazaar - (800)678-8450
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com
RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~
Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~
*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, email@example.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters
Don Cameron: firstname.lastname@example.org
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, email@example.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: email@example.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, firstname.lastname@example.org
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, email@example.com
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch firstname.lastname@example.org
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, email@example.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write
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TODAY'S FUNNY ~
"We repair what your husband fixed."
Pizza shop slogan:
"7 days without pizza makes one weak."
At a tire shop in Milwaukee:
"Invite us to your next blowout."
Door of a plastic surgeons office:
"Hello, can we pick your nose?"
Sign at the psychic's hotline:
"Don't call us, we'll call you."
At a laundry shop:
"How about we refund your money, send you a new one at no
close the store and have the manager shot. Would that be satisfactory?"
At a towing company:
"We don't charge an arm and a leg. We want tows."
Billboard on the side of the road:
"Keep your eyes on the road and stop reading these signs."
On an electricians truck:
"Let us remove your shorts."
In a nonsmoking area:
"If we see smoking we will assume you are on fire and take
On maternity room door:
"Push, Push, Push."
At an optometrists office
"If you don't see what your looking for you've come to the
On a taxidermist's window:
"We really know our stuff."
In a Podiatrist's office:
"Time wounds all heels."
On a Butchers window:
"Let me meat your needs."
On a fence:
"Salesmen welcome, dog food is expensive."
At a car dealership:
"The best way to get back on your feet - miss a car payment."
Outside a muffler shop:
"No appointment necessary, we hear you coming."
Outside a hotel:
"Help! We need inn-experienced people."
On a desk in a reception room:
"We shoot every 3rd salesman , and the 2nd one just left."
In a veterinarians waiting room:
"Be back in 5 minutes, Sit ! Stay!"
At the electric company:
"We would be de-lighted if you send in your bill. However,
if you don't you will be."
On the door of a computer store:
"Out for a quick byte."
In a restaurant window:
"Don't stand there and be hungry, come on in and get fed
Inside a bowling alley:
"Please be quiet, we need to hear a pin drop."
In the front yard of a funeral home:
"Drive carefully, we'll wait."
In a counselors office:
"Growing old is mandatory, growing wise is optional.
REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
" Be so strong that nothing can disturb your peace of mind."
--- Author Unknown ---
Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer refused -
Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1
kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more
Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram
take the entire 300 grams
Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you
entire 300 grams
I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough
You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: firstname.lastname@example.org
RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough for discriminating
We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality
in a variety of materials. Our most recent arrivals: Aug. 2
Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive
(PDF), email email@example.com and ask for "The Rough List."
Hello all, I still have a Xristal-Tek87 for sale. I am reducing
because I really have to sell this fine machine. I have cut maybe
on it. It is basically brand new and in perfect condition. It
has the 8"
adapter ring on it and the dial indicator. It is a very sturdy
machine. I am reducing the price to $900 and will still consider
IFA Faceters Digest Members:
I am now accepting cutting orders for high quality American Facetting
specializing in Barions and Portuguese Cuts as well as repairs.
32 have been cutting for 15 years and have been recently laid
my company where I was a medical software salesman. So now it's
gemcutting and jewelry. I also offer extremely reliable, high
overseas cutting to your diagrams and specs with a 4-6 week turn
Diamond cutting and repair available two, including recutting
chipped melee. Please contact Tyler Allen Atlanta GA
Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on
Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland,
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118.
We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank
you, John Withey
Oct 19-20 Open 10 AM El Cajon Valley Gem & Mineral
Society " Treasures of the Earth " show. Masonic Temple
Ballantyne St, El Cajon.
Donation: Adults $2.50 Exhibits, Dealers, Demonstrations, Free
Identification. For more local info contact 619-444-3183
Plenty of facet rough will be available
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.
The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.
The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.
For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.
Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: firstname.lastname@example.org
IFA FACETER'S DIGEST PERSONALS:
CALIFORNIA (Southern): All persons in the Greater Riverside area
Southern California) are invited to attend our faceting classes
togethers" which are held once per month. If you would like
to join us and
meet fellow faceters, please contact me anytime at: email@example.com
KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis
ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri)
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending
our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's
swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: firstname.lastname@example.org
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ email@example.com.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting
cabbing please e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org Thanks, Jim
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: email@example.com
firstname.lastname@example.org or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!
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THE SAND BOX.
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:24:07 -0700
From: "Paul T. Ahlstedt"<email@example.com>
""I, for one, am astonished that someone who is, supposedly,
so dedicated to
the faceting community would go so far as to encourage faceters
to boycott an
event of this stature. If the members of this list who sent you
sent them to the Symposium staff, I am sure they got the message
. . . or
could there be
another agenda here that we don't know about?
There is another agenda at work that I have not revealed yet
- I was hoping
that Glenn would have the common decency to disclose this and
matter, however this is not going to happen apparently.
So, what has happened specifically is that I volunteered to speak
Symposium a few weeks ago. Glenn responded with two letters, and
very illuminating and contained considerable untruth and manipulation.
Let me begin at the beginning however, and state that Thurmond
when he discovered that I was being barred to find out why. Glenn
with a long letter which was COMPLELETY dishonest, and which contained
multitude of discrepencies in relation to the letters he sent
never published that letter as I composed a post to blast it,
and Glenn backed
However, here are the particulars:
1) Glenn is making the public statement that he and his staff
made a list of
people that they were going to solicit to present this next year,
and I simply
was not on that list - and that is Glenn's public reason and statement
I am not speaking and why I was not invited. However,...
2) In Glenn's letter's to me, he states that he and his staff
decided to bar
me because of Bob Keller - and this is the REAL reason that you
all are being
lied to about.
Now, in as much as the public is going to suffer because ONE
PERSON does not
want me there (Bob Keller), I would have thought that at least
Glenn and his
staff would re-weigh this situation and do the fair and honest
reverse their decision concerning me. This has not happened though,
was my reason for suggesting that the event is boycotted which
would send a
strong message to them.
Believe me Jim, I find this all very distasteful and I don't
like having to do
it - but I have just become so fed up with all the liars, criminals
out there that I decided this has to end. It already was a partial
me leaving the net as it is.
In closing, Glenn said something very interesting in one of the
was that the public simply doesn't care about all the BS happening
and that they just want to talk about and enjoy faceting. I don't
is true at all - I think that you all want to know if you are
being lied to,
ripped off, or being made the target of a scam. If I am wrong
then someone please let me know and I will gladly crawl into a
and shut up. Until then, I will continue to protect and act in
interest of the public and disclose what I find out about moral
misconduct. I think you all want to know. I would if the situation
On another note, be sure to check out the rough that Jerry and
I collected on
Friday, and the details of the rough collection trip this weekend
- you can
still RSVP and reserve a space if you write me quick! The webpage
trip is at: http://www.gemking.com/preview/
From: "Paul T. Ahlstedt"<firstname.lastname@example.org>
As of this writing, I have not received a single request that
I NOT BE allowed
to present at the Faceter's Symposium. Rather, letters are still
in, albeit at a much slower rate than in the beginning. Please
do write in
with a request to the Symposium Board to allow me to present,
or with a
request NOT to allow me to present at your convenience. I will
take these and compile them through the end of the year.
I also had one very interesting letter come in today which I
wanted to share
because I think that it best reflects the wishes of the the members
International Faceter's Association, and I have attached it next
with the name
stripped. Everyone have a good day, and remember that there is
numbers, and we can ALL effect a change if we work together. It
is not my
intention to create a war here however, it just seems to me that
this is an
improper and highly inappropriate situation that needs to be addressed
[begin member letter]
I am not very "vocal" when it comes to posting to the
IFA list but I follow
the posts avidly, and try to absorb as much information as possible.
I am a
self taught facetor and the data presented by you and many others
on the list
has been like a college course in the art of faceting.
I don't know Glenn Klein but it is difficult for me to understand
should have such a dictatorially narrow view in the presentation
Open sources of information is one of the things this country,
society, is based on. Perhaps he has a closed list of presenters,
controlling the amount and type of information which is available,
the case, shame on you Glenn Klein. Under those circumstances,
I would not
consider attending such a meeting.
I request the symposium board to reconsider their decision to
Asstedt, and his presentation, and allow the attendees the right
for themselves if his data is good for them. I feel there is never
information, in whatever field, and I should be allowed access
to as much, and
as varied a selection, as I can absorb. This is the kind of thing
expect from some other country, not here in America.
Stick to your guns Piss. You have a large and varied group of
you, and I suspect we speak with one voice.
The best to you,