Vol. 2, Issue No. 159 - Tuesday October 15, 2002
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Index to Today's Digest


01 Amboy California
02 Index to Digest
03 Raytech Handpiece
04 Immersion Fluid
05 Re: 2003 Symposium
06 Re: 2003 Symposium
07 IFA Field Trip



Subject: Amboy California
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:22:41 EDT
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Cutugem@aol.com

Paul and all. How could anybody get lost in that desolation? From what i saw
in the photos from the gas station,motel,gift shop, grocery store, town hall,
school house jail house building and seeing the population is 20 {i assume
that includes insects} I have a whole new appreciation for my Mid West North
Coast Eden. I always thought Fort Benning Georgia was where the receptacle
for the worlds enema tube was located but I have a whole new prospective and
hindsighted love of natural beauty emnating from the environs of the snake
infested, swamp, sand covered, pine cone producing, hell hole of Gawjah. I am
so sorry I will not be able to make your foray into the {jungle} but Patty
Miklik is my personal emissary and collection wench. Take care of her and do
not let her wander too far from the main group and I would suggest putting
men folk and small animals up somewhere safe.

Dennis on the North Coast



Subject: Re: Vol. 2, Issue No. 158 - Monday October 14, 2002
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:21:15 EDT
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: MargretDzn@aol.com

Thank you for listing the topic subjects in the first part of the
mail........I asked them to do this a while ago and it was "too much
trouble"....... Makes it so much easier to read, especially if you have
special interests.

Thanks again!!!!!



Subject: Raytech Handpiece
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 06:56:44 -0400
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Frank lavin" <nival42@hotmail.com>

A friend of mine just bought a used Raytech and would like to have the dial
installed by Don. I no longer have his e-mail address. Could someone or
Don if he is reading, send me his address.
Frank nival42@hotmail.com



Subject: RE: Vol. 2, Issue No. 158 - Monday October 14, 2002
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:16:05 -0400
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Naomi Sarna" <nsarna@earthlink.net>

Hello and thanks Paul, I've already come to the same conclusion. I hope you
plan another field trip of a little greater complexity in the near future.
Also, John Huck mentioned many months ago using Karo syrup to find the ideal
location of stars in rough. I've been using it as an immersion fluid;
fractures and inclusions seems to show up in it quite well, but most of my
work is on quartz. Does anyone know what it's refractive index is? It's
not toxic, doesn't smell bad, washes off easily, stays on long enough for a
beginner like me to really get a good look. Not bad for cheap stuff that
doesn't evaporate fast. Regards, Naomi in New York



From: <gemdandy@bellsouth.net>
To: owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com
Subject: Bad advice
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 6:36:42 -0400

Paul Ahlstedt said:

"In as much as I am aware that Glenn Klein and his staff have a personal agenda
for barring me from the program, I now would point out that the PUBLIC wants
me to present at the symposium.

A couple of possibilities exist here to make sure that Glenn and staff are
taken out of the loop and I am added to the program -

1) You can "boycott" the program by not attending, or
2) You can send your tickets back in for a refund if you have already sent in
for a ticket."

I, for one, am astonished that someone who is, supposedly, so dedicated to the
faceting community would go so far as to encourage faceters to boycott an event
of this stature. If the members of this list who sent you letters also sent them to
the Symposium staff, I am sure they got the message . . . or could there be another
agenda here that we don't know about?

Jim Daniels



From: "Paul T. Ahlstedt"<paulahlstedt@earthlink.net>
Subject: 2003 Symposium Ban

Dear IFA Members and Glenn Klein,

Since my last request, we have received one additional letter addressed to the
Symposium staff to include me in the program and represent the IFA, bringing
the current total to 96 requests from the public - approximately the number of
people that will attend the symposium. In as much as this represents a clear
demand to the 2003 Symposium staff to include me in the program, I have yet to
hear from Glenn Klein or anyone associated with the event. I did want to
include a couple of letters here with the names stripped so that Glenn and his
staff can see what it is that the public is requesting, and hopefully clear
this matter up. As of this writing, Glenn has banned my email addresses, and
I cannot write him about it. Here are a few letters (to keep bandwidth down)
that best represent the wishes of the largest faceting guild in the United
States, the International Faceter's Association:

""To the staff of the 2003 Faceter's Symposium, I am deeply disappointed that
you have chosen to arbitrarily exclude Paul Ahlstedt from speaking at the next
scheduled symposium. He is an award
winning faceter who has instructed many thousands of people through his
Gemking chat rooms and most recently through his leadership of the
International Faceter's Association and its daily publication the IFA
Faceter's Digest. This daily publication has been set up as non-profit and
Paul has not gained any financial remuneration for his untiring efforts on the
part of the faceting community. He has always been willing to answer questions
online and through mail. The only requirement has been that a question had to
be asked! It did not matter where or who the question came from, it was
treated with respect and honesty. I strongly urge you to reconsider your
position on banning Paul and place him on the speaker roster in a prominent
position immediately! It is a mystery to me as to why you
would not be thrilled to have a speaker of his caliber present at your
program. The mere fact that you have received continuing FREE advertisement
for the symposium on the IFA Faceter's Digest every day speaks to the
fairness of the organization and its members. Do not slap us in our collective
faces by continuing this blacklist.""

[Paul here - I wanted to point out in this letter that despite the fact that
Glenn has clearly personally attacked me by putting a ban in place, I have not
requested that he is removed from the digest, nor have I requested that the
Symposium advertisement is removed from each issue. The reason for this is
that I believe in fairness to all members, and Glenn has not "formally"
violated list policy. However, I agree that it is a "slap in the face" to all
of us that Glenn feels that it is appropriate to ban me from the event, but
advertise on the digest that I created.]

""I would like to request that Paul Ahlstedt represent the International
Faceting Association by providing his services as an speaker at the Faceter's
Symposium in 2003. He could present a proper faceting program which attendees
could learn from and use to advance their faceting ability and knowledge.""

[Paul here - One of my concerns with the Symposium last year was that there
were ZERO qualified speakers to address faceters and faceting - although I did
not see the CZ presentation which might have been useful. Considering the
price, almost $100, to attend this year, I have to question whether or not
this is worth it, or whether it is worth wasting a whole weekend again
listening to speakers that present on things NOT faceting related, or to
speakers that are not qualified. If I were to be allowed to speak, at least
the attendees would get the most bang for their buck as I would definately
send them home with a good memory and plenty of useful faceting information.]

""This is my first message to you and I fully support your representing me at
the Faceter's Symposium 2003. Your consistent dedication to the art of
faceting demands that you have an opportunity to express your(our) views to
the faceting community. I have lurked on the list for almost a year and have
enjoyed your points of
view and agree with them. I miss your daily comments and enthusiasm. Give'm

[Paul here - In the letter above, this sentiment was expressed in virtually
all letters - and it is quite clear that the public wants me to represent them
and the IFA as a speaker at the 2003 Symposium. I would venture to say also,
that because of the response to this matter, that I am now the most desired
and most highly requested speaker to present there. I would again request
publicly to Glenn Klein and staff to reverse their decision and add me to the
roster immediately.]

""To: Faceter's Symposium 2003 Staff
From: [name edited] Long Standing Member of IFA

Subject: Allowing Mr. Paul Ahlstedt to speak on behalf of IFA

Dear Sirs:

It is my fervent hope that you allow Mr. Paul Ahlstedt the opportunity to
speak on behalf and represent the members of IFA at the 2003 Faceter's
Symposium. I feel that Paul's knowledge of our industry is only exceeded by
ability to explain and teach complex ideas in a simple understandable way
which benefits all that hear him. Thank you.""

Paul here - I would like to say (and I don't mean to toot my own horn here)
that I am one of the most qualified people in the world to speak about
faceting, and the fact that I am being barred from speaking is completely
unacceptable. I have done my best to reunite the faceting community, and end
the "factions" that exist that work against us as IFA members, but they are
apparently STILL working against us. In as much as Glenn is making false
public statements as to why I was not selected as a speaker, the real truth
behind why I have been barred from the Symposium is too bizarre to comprehend,
and I hope that Mr. Klein is willing to discuss this in public - at any rate,
we need to bring the faceting community back together, end rivalry and the
damage that factions cause working against us, and work towards getting me on
the roster for the 2003 Faceter's Symposium - to represent all of you as you
have clearly requested of the symposium staff.

I also want to be sure that I give the Symposium staff correct demographics,
so if there are any of you that DO NOT want me to represent you at the event,
please write me with the reason why to: paulahlstedt@earthlink.net and I
will also include those letters to the Symposium staff when I create a final
package and argument for including me. You are all also welcome to continue
to write me with requests to the Symposium staff to include me in the program.

Best wishes,

Paul Ahlstedt



From: "Paul T. Ahlstedt"<paulahlstedt@earthlink.net>
Subject: IFA Field Trip

Hi Gang,

It is just about time for our IFA field trip, and all the particulars are at:


Please let me know if you will be attending so that I can add you to the
roster, and so that we know you are coming and can wait for you to arrive, or
else me might leave without you! LOL! Here is a good opportunity to collect
some faceting materials, and have a little fun in the process!

Hope to see as many of you as possible, and until then, happy faceting!

Paul Ahlstedt



Bombay Bazaar - (800)678-8450
Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: info@ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: tgibbs@compuserve.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )



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Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland, Florida.
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118. We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank you, John Withey



Oct 19-20 Open 10 AM El Cajon Valley Gem & Mineral
Society " Treasures of the Earth " show. Masonic Temple 695
Ballantyne St, El Cajon.
Donation: Adults $2.50 Exhibits, Dealers, Demonstrations, Free Gem
Identification. For more local info contact 619-444-3183
Plenty of facet rough will be available


Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.

The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: glennklein@yahoo.com



Does this hit home with any of you parents out there???

Subject: Boots n Kids

Did you hear about the Texas teacher who was helping one of her
kindergarten students put on his cowboy boots?

He asked for help and she could see why. Even with her pulling and him
pushing, the little boots still didn't want to go on.

Finally, when the second boot was on, she had worked up a sweat. She
almost cried when the little boy said, "Teacher, they're on the wrong feet."
She looked and sure enough, they were.

It wasn't any easier pulling the boots off than it was putting them on.
She managed to keep her cool as together they worked to get the boots back
on - this time on the right feet.

He then announced, "These aren't my boots."

She bit her tongue rather than get right in his face and scream, "Why
didn't you say so?" like she wanted to. And, once again she struggled to help
him pull the ill-fitting boots off his little feet.

No sooner they got the boots off and he said, "They're my brother's
boots. My Mom made me wear 'em."

Now she didn't know if she should laugh or cry. But, she mustered up the
grace and courage she had left to wrestle the boots on his feet again.

Helping him into his coat, she asked, "Now, where are your mittens?" He
said, "I stuffed 'em in the toes of my boots...."

Her trial starts next month.



"The most wasted of days are the ones without laughter."

--- Anonymous ---


Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer refused -

Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1 kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more

Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram if you
take the entire 300 grams

Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you take the
entire 300 grams

I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the web -
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough

You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: wntrhill@somtel.com


RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough for discriminating gem-cutters."
We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality gem rough
in a variety of materials. Our most recent arrivals: Aug. 2 ­ Aquamarine,
Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive e-flyer
(PDF), email rrgaetan@san.rr.com and ask for "The Rough List."


Hello all, I still have a Xristal-Tek87 for sale. I am reducing the price
because I really have to sell this fine machine. I have cut maybe 15 stones
on it. It is basically brand new and in perfect condition. It has the 8"
adapter ring on it and the dial indicator. It is a very sturdy rugged
machine. I am reducing the price to $900 and will still consider all

Thank you,
David Creviston
Atlanta, Georgia


IFA Faceters Digest Members:

I am now accepting cutting orders for high quality American Facetting
specializing in Barions and Portuguese Cuts as well as repairs. I am
32 have been cutting for 15 years and have been recently laid off from
my company where I was a medical software salesman. So now it's back to
gemcutting and jewelry. I also offer extremely reliable, high quality
overseas cutting to your diagrams and specs with a 4-6 week turn around.
Diamond cutting and repair available two, including recutting of
chipped melee. Please contact Tyler Allen Atlanta GA
770-393-2547 t.allen@mindspring.com



CALIFORNIA (Southern): All persons in the Greater Riverside area (of
Southern California) are invited to attend our faceting classes and "get
togethers" which are held once per month. If you would like to join us and
meet fellow faceters, please contact me anytime at: paulahlstedt@earthlink.net ~
Paul Ahlstedt

KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!

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