Vol. 2, Issue No. 158 - Monday October 14, 2002
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Index to Today's Digest


01 Largest Tsavorite
02 IFA Field Trip
03 Welcome back, Patty.
04 IFA Field Trip Details
05 Heat Treament to Burmese Ruby Rough
06 Faceters Symposium 2003
07 Redwing BATT



Subject: largest tsavorite
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:02:31 -0700 (PDT)
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Dave Thompson <djt@irastro.caltech.edu>
Cc: arcorp21@hotmail.com

> Does some member know what is the largest tsavorite in the world:

I have seen (if I am remembering correctly) a faceted stone
of ~26ct (step-cut rectangle, light "apple" green) which was claimed
to be the 4th largest. I also saw one closer to 45cts in a private
collection currently on display at the Bowers Museum in So.Cal. which
was a dark green. That collection included a 242ct Tanzanite and
a 15ct Benitoite. It is well worth a visit if you live nearby. The
exhibit continues until Jan 5, 2003.




Subject: IFA Field Trip
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 10:41:37 -0700
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Paul T. Ahlstedt"<paulahlstedt@earthlink.net>

Hi gang,

Jerry Newman and I scouted the area for the field trip this weekend, and spent
about 3 hours at the site hiking to find the best spots to collect. Oddly
enough, our best success was with collecting fragments off the ground, so we
litterally did not really use any tools of any kind. Our 3 hours of hiking
resulted in many roughs, and the ones that I took home weighed about 2 to 3
carats on average with one large one of the day measuring 10.41 carats which
will cut a deep green beauty.

The locality is in the deep desert near Amboy, California, and there are no
facilities there (except at Amboy). Please bring what you need to survive in
the desert, including COLD drinking water to keep your core temperature down
as the day got quite hot - to the extent that sweat was dripping off me and
onto the ground as I looked for fragments.

We will be meeting at Amboy at 7am on Saturday, the 19 of October, and I have
received about 10 confirmations now that I have tallied and have started a
roster (just to let you all know that I got your messages, I will throw up a
roster list asap).

The site can be accessed by two ways - the first is by parking near a railroad
overpass, and hiking in about a mile - the second is to drive directly to the
site with 4 wheel drive only as the site required crossing sandy washes and
some rough terrain. High profile trucks MIGHT be able to pass, but I would
prefer not to have to dig anyone out of the sand! LOL! Hopefully, we can get
a couple of members to bring their 4x4's and we can all hop in and drive to
the site.

As for what you need to collect, all I can see is the need for a small
container to put your treasures in, and MAYBE a small geologists hammer to
break up some of the volcanic materials that contain the crystalized olivene
(peridot). That is all we used, and I believe that is all that is needed.

I am going to post a map of the area tomorrow, and also a picture of some of
the rough we collected and some of the cut stones that Jerry Newman did.

I want to be clear on one last thing as well - I DO NOT BELIEVE that this trip
is of sufficient import to justify traveling from faraway locations - I know
that Naomi and others wanted to come out from back east, but I don't think
that what you will collect will justify spending a ton on plane tickets and
hotel rooms.

For those of you driving in from out of town, the closest hotels and such are
in Twentynine Palms, and a search on the net can turn up a ton of
possibilities for you. I am sorry that I don't have the time to help you all
with this, but it is fairly straight forward to find lodging and other
services in Twentynine Palms which is essentially a military town being next
to the marine base....

Ok, more to come tomorrow, so stay tuned and plan to be with us at 7am in
Amboy on Saturday! Also, if you are planning to attend, you MUST write me or
we will not know you are coming and could leave without you! LOL!

Best wishes,




Subject: Welcome back, Patty.
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:11:54 -0400
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

> well, i just wanted to let everybody know, i am up and
>trotting and open for business.

I would call getting some bytowntites to cut a pretty good way to be "Up
and trotting"!



Subject: IFA Field Trip Details
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:36:57 -0700
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Paul T. Ahlstedt"<paulahlstedt@earthlink.net>

Hi gang,

I have created a web page with all the maps, image of peridot (cut and rough)
that we collected Friday, and other details on where and when to meet for the
first IFA Field Trip. The webpage is at:


Please go to that page and print it out for your journey on Saturday. I also
put a roster of names on that page that I have confirmed so far. If you are
NOT on it and plan to attend, you MUST email me at:
paulahlstedt@earthlink.net to make sure that I know to wait for you so that we
know you are coming and do not leave without you.

The page also includes links to Roy's Cafe where we will meet, information on
historic Route 66, USGS links on the volcano's of the area and geology, and of
course the time we will meet on Saturday, October 19th which is in just a few
days. Please plan to attend, and hope to see you there!

Oh, PS - if you don't have tools, don't worry - we picked ALL the rough in the
image up off the ground in plain sight!

Best wishes,




Subject: Heat Treament to Burmese Ruby Rough
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:43:58 -0700 (PDT)
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Al Slitter <faceting4fun@yahoo.com>

Hello All;

I am in northern Thailand and have seen some ruby rough material that is a deep red colour
with a purpleish tinge to it. I was advised that after heat treatment the purple cast
would disappear. There must be a few people out ithere that have had experience with heat
treatment to sapphire/ruby material, I would appreciate a reply!

Thanks in advance.

Al Slitter (Who was from Edmonton, Alberta Canada)



Subject: 2003 Symposium
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 10:26:10 -0700
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Paul T. Ahlstedt"<paulahlstedt@earthlink.net>

""From: Glenn Klein Hi All: This is to let everyone know that the plans for
the Faceters Symposium 2003 are coming along nicely. We have a
full roster of speakers already lined up. And, there have been three requests
for use of the Symposium room after the close of the Symposium. We cannot
make everyone happy, but my staff and I are certainly trying to do that. The
is that all of you who do attend the Symposium are in for a great weekend at
Ventura. Get your plans in line to make it possible for you to attend next
June. And you competitive cutters, get started on your entry now, so you have
the time available to do a spectacular job on your
stone. For information regarding the Symposium and the Competition, send your
snail mail address to me so that I can mail a copy of our packet of
information to you. Glenn Klein glennklein@yahoo.com""

Hello Glenn Klein and IFA Members ~

As of this writing, the public has clearly expressed an interest in me
presenting at the Symposium in June. We picked up a few additional letters
since my last request for opinion, and now have 95 letters from the public
appealing to the symposium staff to include me in the roster.

In as much as I am aware that Glenn Klein and his staff have a personal agenda
for barring me from the program, I now would point out that the PUBLIC wants
me to present at the symposium.

A couple of possibilities exist here to make sure that Glenn and staff are
taken out of the loop and I am added to the program -

1) You can "boycott" the program by not attending, or
2) You can send your tickets back in for a refund if you have already sent in
for a ticket.

This should send a strong message to Glenn and staff that their deliberate ban
on me will not be tolerated. I would also love to talk about what the nature
of this ban is, and will leave this to Glenn - if he would like to discuss
this bogus ban in public, that is fine with me - else, it will clearly be in
his best interest to do the right thing.

I want to thank everyone that wrote in to the Symposium staff requesting me to
participate, and please IGNORE the recent statement by Glenn that the roster
lineup is full now - we WILL do what is necessary as the largest group of
faceters in the US to make sure that either I am added to the roster or that
someone is bumped so that I can be added.

Best wishes, and I will try to make time tomorrow to post a couple of the
notes to the Symposium 2003 staff that best represent all 95 letters. In the
meantime, if you would like me to represent you at the 2003 Symposium as your
past president and founder of the largest group of faceters in the US, please
write me with a letter addressed to the 2003 Faceter's Symposium Staff
requesting me to be added to the roster, and your reason for the request in
your own words. My email address is: paulahlstedt@earthlink.net

Many thanks,

Paul Ahlstedt



Subject: Redwing BATT
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:55:36 -0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Miles" <webmiles@cox.net>

If the number on my label POB 533
means I can get on the list for the
Redwing BATT. I would love to be on it.
Thank you,

Janice Miles (grew up in Slaton, Texas)



Bombay Bazaar - (800)678-8450
Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: info@ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: tgibbs@compuserve.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
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Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland, Florida.
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118. We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank you, John Withey



Sep 28-29 Downey. 52nd annual Delvers Gem& Mineral Soc. Women's Club
of Downey, 9813 Paramount Blvd. Free admission. Facet rough available
will include Benitoite, sapphires from Montana, Australia and southeast Asia,
blue and colorless topaz, 4Peaks amethyst,several citrines, ametrine,
sunstone, tourmaline and much more. Vargas books and laps also available.


Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.

The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: glennklein@yahoo.com



Subject: Sanity test
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:26:25 -0400
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "J Wagstaff" <wagstajo@kos.net>




" Common sense is not so common."

--- Author Unknown ---



Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer refused -

Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1 kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more

Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram if you
take the entire 300 grams

Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you take the
entire 300 grams

I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the web -
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough

You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: wntrhill@somtel.com


RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough for discriminating gem-cutters."
We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality gem rough
in a variety of materials. Our most recent arrivals: Aug. 2 ­ Aquamarine,
Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive e-flyer
(PDF), email rrgaetan@san.rr.com and ask for "The Rough List."


Hello all, I still have a Xristal-Tek87 for sale. I am reducing the price
because I really have to sell this fine machine. I have cut maybe 15 stones
on it. It is basically brand new and in perfect condition. It has the 8"
adapter ring on it and the dial indicator. It is a very sturdy rugged
machine. I am reducing the price to $900 and will still consider all

Thank you,
David Creviston
Atlanta, Georgia


IFA Faceters Digest Members:

I am now accepting cutting orders for high quality American Facetting
specializing in Barions and Portuguese Cuts as well as repairs. I am
32 have been cutting for 15 years and have been recently laid off from
my company where I was a medical software salesman. So now it's back to
gemcutting and jewelry. I also offer extremely reliable, high quality
overseas cutting to your diagrams and specs with a 4-6 week turn around.
Diamond cutting and repair available two, including recutting of
chipped melee. Please contact Tyler Allen Atlanta GA
770-393-2547 t.allen@mindspring.com



CALIFORNIA (Southern): All persons in the Greater Riverside area (of
Southern California) are invited to attend our faceting classes and "get
togethers" which are held once per month. If you would like to join us and
meet fellow faceters, please contact me anytime at: paulahlstedt@earthlink.net ~
Paul Ahlstedt

KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!

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