Vol. 2, Issue No. 157 - Friday October 11, 2002
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Index to Today's Digest


01 Re: doublet
02 Ultra Tec machine and accessories for sale (correction)
06 Faceters Symposium 2003
07 Largest Tsavorite
08 Advertisement
09 greetings to the list!
10 Re: IFA Field Trip
11 Ultratec for Sale (addendum)



Subject: doublet
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:06:57 -0700 (PDT)
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Dave Thompson <djt@irastro.caltech.edu>
Cc: david@mindlink.net

> Chips and wear and all on the table. Owner asked if I could do anything.

You can probably recut the crown at lower angles without a
change in the width of the stone (unless the crown is already very
low). Making the stone into a doublet should be a last resort.

Dave (Pasadena, CA).



Subject: correction
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:50:03 -0500
To: "Facet Digest" <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Larry Davis" <ldavis32@cox.net>

My apologies but the listing I sent in yesterday was in error.

The list states that I have a set of 60 Graves dops. This is not
correct. There are only 30 dops. They range from about 1.5 mm
up to 25 mm dia.

This is the standard 1/4 inch shank set that Graves makes set in
their own wood storage base.

Flat, Cone and "V" dops 10 of each.

These work well with the Ultra Tec head. You may have to
tighten them down a bit more than the UT dops but Not much.

I also have been making my own dops for several years on my
lathe and have a good many of these too.

Larry Davis



Subject: "Coeur de la Mer"
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:10:24 -0400
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "J Wagstaff" <wagstajo@kos.net>

I believe that Jon (Gearloose) Rolfe did a design of this for his wife
back when the movie came out. Maybe he might post the cutting




Subject: Subject: TITANIC CUT
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:07:21 -0400
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

>Is there a diagram out there for the blue Sapphire used in the necklace in
>the movie
>Titanic ?

The "Titanic Stone" is very similar to Wilf Ross's "Amoire Gem" design that
several people mailed me after I had cut Big Blue. Quoted for education
and discussion purposes:

Wilf Ross 02/14/95
For RI=1.54
64 facets+15 on girdle=79
1-fold mirror image symmetry
96 indx

1 41.5 03-09-15-21-27-33-39-45-51-57-63-69-75-81-93
2 90 21-27-69-75--fix width
3 90 15-81
4 90 12-84
5 90 09-87
6 90 34-62
7 90 42-54
8 90 48
9 63.83 09-87
10 65.16 12-84
11 65.58 15-21-27-69-75-81
12 65.91 34-62
13 67.38 42-54
14 68.94 48

1 24.67 09-87
2 30.30 12-84
3 30.78 15-21-27-69-75-81
4 31.69 34-62
5 32.88 42-54
6 36.52 48
7 28.68 45-51
8 26.01 30-66
9 26.00 18-78
10 19.38 07-89
11 8.86 96
12 11.02 12-84
13 14.16 24-72
14 7.68 37-59
15 22.13 48
16 00.00 Table.

All that said, I know MY machine will resolve 0.01 degree, but here we have
the usual gemcad derived virtual angles. Use common sense when cutting.
Not to be annoying or anything, but with all barion-like designs, I find it
a lot easier just to sit down and cut the thing.
When I started marking my index gears with a binary scale, it helped me to
instantly visualize the symmetries and patterns! It is one of those things
that will work for some people, some of the time, and is , to me, a great
aid for cutting a stone quickly and intuitively. That said, the 54 carat
stone took me a LONG time! 12 hours!
If you want to see the visual aid I use for the 96 index it is at

My "Coeur de la Mer" is at http://www.gearloose.com/gemx.html and a page
my wife (its owner) put up about the story behind her necklace is at

My rather unhelpful page about cutting it is at:

A couple of years ago the "Bead Screed'"(LJ) had published cutting plans
for the stone as well. I have been throwing out all my issues of it, so
would not be able to locate it, but maybe someone else here kept it?



Subject: Re: Vol. 2, Issue No. 156 - Thursday October 10, 2002titanic cut
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:10:13 EDT
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Bellcha7@aol.com
Cc: zpyles@comcast.net




Subject: Faceters Symposium 2003
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:45:29 -0700 (PDT)
To: IFA Faceters Digest <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: Glenn Klein <glennklein@yahoo.com>

Hi All:

This is to let everyone know that the plans for the
Faceters Symposium 2003 are coming along nicely. We have a
full roster of speakers already lined up. And, there have
been three requests for use of the Symposium room after the
close of the Symposium. We cannot make everyone happy, but
my staff and I are certainly trying to do that. The point
is that all of you who do attend the Symposium are in for a
great weekend at Ventura. Get your plans in line to make
it possible for you to attend next June. And you
competitive cutters, get started on your entry now, so you
have the time available to do a spectacular job on your

For information regarding the Symposium and the
Competition, send your snail mail address to me so that I
can mail a copy of our packet of information to you.

Glenn Klein glennklein@yahoo.com
Lake Forest, CA USA
Faceters Symposium 2003 Chairman



Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:28:13 +0800
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "lenard TAN" <arcorp21@hotmail.com>

Does some member know what is the largest tsavorite in the world: rough
stone, faceted stone, cabochon, carving piece? Where can we find the information

Many Thanks



Subject: Re: Advertisement
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:00:06 +0000
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Noel Rowe <noel@roughtocut.com>

Hello fellow list members. I have decided to take the plunge into the commercial side of
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Subject: greetings to the list!
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:08:45 -0700
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

long time greetings to everybody!
i am slowly recouperating from my surgery last august and getting back
into the swing of things. i started cutting a nice piece of topaz in
school this week and......a good old timer, in school, gave everybody in
class some of the small bytownites he had collected who knows when. i
think they will go good with the big pieces i received from blaise a
while back. well, i just wanted to let everybody know, i am up and
trotting and open for business.
happy halloween everybody!
so cal


Subject: Re: Vol. 2, Issue No. 156 - Thursday October 10, 2002
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:35:57 EDT
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: MannyKirk@aol.com

In a message dated 10/10/02 11:34:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com writes:

> Paul T. Ahlstedt"<paulahlstedt@earthlink.net>

Thanks for the note about the upcoming trip I wanna go too ! Let me know
when and where

thank you my friend,
see ya !'
Manuel Emerzian



Subject: Ultra Tec for sale.
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:09:32 -0500
To: "Facet Digest" <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Larry Davis" <ldavis32@cox.net>

I now have a set of 18 photographs of the Ultra Tec machine and accessories
that I have up for sale.

You may see them at www.gemcad.info/UTMachine.html

Take your time as this is a VERY graphics intensive page and will be slow
loading for some browsers. It is worth the wait as the photos are all great
even if they are a bit spaced out on the page.
The photo of all the laps was too big to do what I wanted so I have had to
cut it into several smaller shots. Enjoy looking but remember that I have
plans to sell it on Ebay if nobody on the digest wants to take it home.
The buyer will be responsible for all shipping and packaging charges unless
you just happen to be in driving range of Wichita, Kansas. The laps weigh in
at about 30 lbs alone. You can guess the rest of that story.
There is only one place on this machine that shows any wear or need to be
replaced. That is on the little sticker cover plate where the speed control switches
are located. I have included a photo of that too. I don't hide anything from anyone.

Larry Davis



Bombay Bazaar - (800)678-8450
Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: info@ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: tgibbs@compuserve.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )



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Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland, Florida.
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118. We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank you, John Withey



Sep 28-29 Downey. 52nd annual Delvers Gem& Mineral Soc. Women's Club
of Downey, 9813 Paramount Blvd. Free admission. Facet rough available
will include Benitoite, sapphires from Montana, Australia and southeast Asia,
blue and colorless topaz, 4Peaks amethyst,several citrines, ametrine,
sunstone, tourmaline and much more. Vargas books and laps also available.


Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.

The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: glennklein@yahoo.com



During the heat of the space race in the 1960's,
NASA decided it needed a ball point pen to write
in the zero gravity confines of its space capsules.

After considerable research and development,
the Astronaut Pen was developed at a cost of
$1 million. The pen worked and also enjoyed
some modest success as a novelty item back
here on earth.

The Soviet Union, faced with the same problem,
used a pencil.



" If we die tomorrow, the company that we are working for could easily
replace us in a matter of days, but the family we left behind will feel the
lost for the rest of their lives. And come to think of it, we pour ourselves
more into work than to our family. An unwise investment indeed."

--- Author Unknown ---



Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer refused -

Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1 kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more

Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram if you
take the entire 300 grams

Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you take the
entire 300 grams

I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the web -
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough

You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: wntrhill@somtel.com


RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough for discriminating gem-cutters."
We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality gem rough
in a variety of materials. Our most recent arrivals: Aug. 2 ­ Aquamarine,
Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive e-flyer
(PDF), email rrgaetan@san.rr.com and ask for "The Rough List."


Hello all, I still have a Xristal-Tek87 for sale. I am reducing the price
because I really have to sell this fine machine. I have cut maybe 15 stones
on it. It is basically brand new and in perfect condition. It has the 8"
adapter ring on it and the dial indicator. It is a very sturdy rugged
machine. I am reducing the price to $900 and will still consider all

Thank you,
David Creviston
Atlanta, Georgia


IFA Faceters Digest Members:

I am now accepting cutting orders for high quality American Facetting
specializing in Barions and Portuguese Cuts as well as repairs. I am
32 have been cutting for 15 years and have been recently laid off from
my company where I was a medical software salesman. So now it's back to
gemcutting and jewelry. I also offer extremely reliable, high quality
overseas cutting to your diagrams and specs with a 4-6 week turn around.
Diamond cutting and repair available two, including recutting of
chipped melee. Please contact Tyler Allen Atlanta GA
770-393-2547 t.allen@mindspring.com



CALIFORNIA (Southern): All persons in the Greater Riverside area (of
Southern California) are invited to attend our faceting classes and "get
togethers" which are held once per month. If you would like to join us and
meet fellow faceters, please contact me anytime at: paulahlstedt@earthlink.net ~
Paul Ahlstedt

KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!

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