Vol. 2, Issue No. 155 - Wednesday October 9, 2002
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Index to Today's Digest


01 Heat Treating Tourmaline
02 RE: GemCad for Windows
03 Re: Appraising
04 Making a doublet....anyone got any experience??



Subject: Heat Treating Tourmaline
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:39:46 -0400
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Tyler Allen" <t.allen@mindspring.com>

Any body have the sure fire method of heat treating the Nigerian
Tourmaline that came out 2 years ago. I have cut some pieces that face
up dark and have a little brown to them, I think if you treat em right
you can get a nice cherry red.
Let me know.

Atl Ga



Subject: GemCad for Windows
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:57:12 -0500
To: "IFA Faceters Digest Post" <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Robert Strickland" <robstr@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: <gembin@spiff.net>

Doug "Rhodolite" Smith, gembin@spiff.net wrote:

>I downloaded Version 1.00 of GemCad for Windows. I have a some questions.
>1 - If I download Version 1.02, Do I uninstall Version 1.00 first, or will it
>download "over" Version 1.00?

If you don't uninstall 1.00, 1.02 will install "over" 1.00. At the bottom of
the page is a way to install 1.02 over 1.00 with a smaller download if you have
a slow connection.

>2 - I'm having a hard time trying to find enough time to learn how to use it. If
>I now download Version 1.02, when does the 90 day free inspection time begin?

It's 30 days, not 90 days. It begins 30 days after you install the first
version, so installing 1.02 will not reset the 30 days. Although 30 days might
not be sufficient to learn all the fine points, it should be enough to give
you the basic idea and what it will and won't do, right? I think that if you can't
make it through the Quick Start tutorial to cut the SRB in a couple of hours, the
program is probably not for you. My intent for the trial period is to allow
people to see if they want to purchase the program and invest the time to
use it.

>3 - If I don't purchase it at the designated end of the inspection time because
>I haven't had time to learn it, will it delete itself, or will I still have time
>to learn it and be able to purchase it then?

It will not delete itself. It will just bring up a message that says that
the 30 day trial has expired. You can then reactivate it with your registration
key if you purchase it. Or you can uninstall it anyime before or after
the 30 day trial.

>Robert, I'm a newbie and have a tough time just getting the time to try to facet
>a stone. I thought Gemcad would be great to transpose angles for different
>stone's Refractive Index. I spent a lot of time reading the help files and
>trying to change the RI. I finally gave up on Version 1.00. I understand the
>"learning curve" will be faster on Version 1.02, so I'd like to give it

The "learning curve" is no different with 1.02. There are a few bug fixes
and new features which I have already described here. If you missed the
list here, there is a list of them on the Download page of my website. If
there is demand, I might lengthen the evaluation period or change it so it
tallies how many times it is run instead of time.

To change the R.I. do Raytrace/Properties. It looks like I left out an
entry for "Refractive Index" in the alphabetical index. If anyone else
has trouble finding something in the User's Guide, let me know, and
I'll try to clarify or index it better.

Robert Strickland



Subject: Re: Appraising
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:56:21 -0500
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Pauly Sanders" <redhog@midwest.net>

I've been following the thread on appraising with interest. I had at one =
time thought about getting into Gem & Jewelry Appraising. I later =
changed my mind, and decided to just concentrate on custom cutting. I =
bought 2 books on appraising, that I never used. I paid $40 each. If =
anyone thinks they might be interested, contact me offline, and I can =
give a full description, and work out a fair price.

As a side item: I've met and talked to Richard Drucker, the editor of =
"The Guide", several times. A nicer fellow you've never met. He is =
without a doubt the most knowledgeable person in the states, concerning =
value of gemstones of any kind that are sold at a market level.=20



Subject: Making a doublet....anyone got any experience??
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:26:54 -0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "David de Lisle" <david@mindlink.net>

Hello all,
I had an unusual request. A close relative with a very, very worn
ringstone.( lovely honey colored garnet )
Chips and wear and all on the table. Owner asked if I could do anything.
Only solution that met with approval was to 'cap' the stone with clear
synthetic corundum and re facet the crown. Dividing line will be at the girdle.
My two questions..... Using a water clear epoxy ( Epoxy 330 )

What finish do I need on the two flat ground surfaces to be joined?
How thin / thick a layer of epoxy do I need on these two surfaces before
clamping up to cure?

All suggestions, tips would be greatly appreciated.

Value, or rather lack of value, of the 'new' stone will NOT be an issue.


David de Lisle



Bombay Bazaar - (800)678-8450
Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: info@ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: tgibbs@compuserve.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )



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Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland, Florida.
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118. We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank you, John Withey



Sep 28-29 Downey. 52nd annual Delvers Gem& Mineral Soc. Women's Club
of Downey, 9813 Paramount Blvd. Free admission. Facet rough available
will include Benitoite, sapphires from Montana, Australia and southeast Asia,
blue and colorless topaz, 4Peaks amethyst,several citrines, ametrine,
sunstone, tourmaline and much more. Vargas books and laps also available.


Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.

The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: glennklein@yahoo.com



The other day I went up to a local Christian bookstore and
saw a "Honk If You Love Jesus" bumper sticker. I was feeling
particularly sassy that day because I had just come from a
thrilling choir performance, so I bought the sticker and put
it on my bumper.

Boy, I'm glad I did! What an uplifting experience followed!

I was stopped at a red light at a busy intersection, just
lost in thought about the Lord and how good He is. I didn't
notice that the light had changed. It is a good thing someone
else loves Jesus because if he hadn't honked, I'd never have
noticed! I found that LOTS of people love Jesus!

While I was sitting there, the guy behind started honking
like crazy, and then he leaned out of his window and screamed,
"For the love of GOD! GO! GO! GO!"

What an exuberant cheerleader he was for Jesus! Everyone
started honking! I just leaned out of my window and started
waving and smiling at all these loving people. I even honked
my horn a few times to share in the love!

There must have been a man from Florida back there because
I heard him yelling something about a "sunny beach". I saw
another guy waving in a funny way with only one finger stuck
up in the air. I asked my teenage grandson who was in the
car with me what that meant, he said that it was probably a
Hawaiian good luck sign or something. Well, I've never met
anyone from Hawaii, so I leaned out the window and gave him
the good luck sign back.

A couple of the people were so caught up in the joy of the
moment that they got out of their cars and started walking
towards me. I bet they wanted to pray or ask what church I
attended, but this is when I noticed the light had changed.
So, I waved to all my sisters and brothers grinning, and
drove on through the intersection.

I noticed I was the only car that got through the inter-
section before the light changed again and I felt kind of
sad that had to leave them after all the love we had shared,
so I slowed the car down, leaned out of the window and gave
them all the Hawaiian good luck sign one last time as I
drove away.

Praise the Lord for such wonderful folks!



"Everyone thinks of changing the world,
But no one thinks of changing himself."

--- Tolstoy ---



Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer refused -

Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1 kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more

Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram if you
take the entire 300 grams

Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you take the
entire 300 grams

I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the web -
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough

You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: wntrhill@somtel.com


RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough for discriminating gem-cutters."
We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality gem rough
in a variety of materials. Our most recent arrivals: Aug. 2 ­ Aquamarine,
Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive e-flyer
(PDF), email rrgaetan@san.rr.com and ask for "The Rough List."


Hello all, I still have a Xristal-Tek87 for sale. I am reducing the price
because I really have to sell this fine machine. I have cut maybe 15 stones
on it. It is basically brand new and in perfect condition. It has the 8"
adapter ring on it and the dial indicator. It is a very sturdy rugged
machine. I am reducing the price to $900 and will still consider all

Thank you,
David Creviston
Atlanta, Georgia


IFA Faceters Digest Members:

I am now accepting cutting orders for high quality American Facetting
specializing in Barions and Portuguese Cuts as well as repairs. I am
32 have been cutting for 15 years and have been recently laid off from
my company where I was a medical software salesman. So now it's back to
gemcutting and jewelry. I also offer extremely reliable, high quality
overseas cutting to your diagrams and specs with a 4-6 week turn around.
Diamond cutting and repair available two, including recutting of
chipped melee. Please contact Tyler Allen Atlanta GA
770-393-2547 t.allen@mindspring.com



CALIFORNIA (Southern): All persons in the Greater Riverside area (of
Southern California) are invited to attend our faceting classes and "get
togethers" which are held once per month. If you would like to join us and
meet fellow faceters, please contact me anytime at: paulahlstedt@earthlink.net ~
Paul Ahlstedt

KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!

IFA Faceter's Digest Staff ~

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Fred Ward / Moderator - Gemology

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