Vol. 2, Issue No. 154 - Tuesday October 8, 2002
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Index to Today's Digest


01 Opal values
02 RE: GemCad for Windows
03 Virus HOAX, #$%*!
04 Florentine



Subject: Opal values
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:01:25 -0500
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "David Ault" <fieldweld@surfmore.net>

Paul downing is the author of various books and perhaps I should have
mentioned the book I was talking about. The title is " Opal Identification
and Value" There is an extensive section on how to appraise value in this
book, far better than any other I have seen elsewhere. Paul has a Ph.D. in
economics and his goal in creating this standard was to eliminate confusion
in opal grading. The standard that he developed was so complete and
comprehensive that " The Guide" had him as a board member during the
adoption of his standard into the guides pricing criteria. The Guide, from
what I gather in talking to cutters and appraisers I have met, is the
leading standard used for current appraisal values. When it comes to opals,
don't leave home without your book and your grade reference stones. Read
this book and you will see why!

Dave Ault



Subject: RE: GemCad for Windows
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:24:22 -0500
To: IFA <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: gembin <gembin@spiff.net>

Hi Robert Strickland,

I downloaded Version 1.00 of GemCad for Windows. I have a some questions.

1 - If I download Version 1.02, Do I uninstall Version 1.00 first, or will it
download "over" Version 1.00?

2 - I'm having a hard time trying to find enough time to learn how to use it. If
I now download Version 1.02, when does the 90 day free inspection time begin?

3 - If I don't purchase it at the designated end of the inspection time because
I haven't had time to learn it, will it delete itself, or will I still have time
to learn it and be able to purchase it then?

Robert, I'm a newbie and have a tough time just getting the time to try to facet
a stone. I thought Gemcad would be great to transpose angles for different
stone's Refractive Index. I spent a lot of time reading the help files and
trying to change the RI. I finally gave up on Version 1.00. I understand the
"learning curve" will be faster on Version 1.02, so I'd like to give it another

Thanks for any help,
Doug "Rhodolite" Smith
Alton, Illinois, USA... Where the Mississippi River "flows sideways", East to



Subject: Virus HOAX, #$%*!
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 19:32:59 -0400
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

PLEASE everyone:
Whenever you get something that has a pretense that wants you to "MAIL
before you fall for it.
The Center for Disease Control, SARC, the FBI, Norton, The
Marines, Microsoft, or McAfee, etc DO NOT USE CHAIN
If I sound irritated it is because I have been getting this all day long
from well-meaning people. I appreciate everyone's concern, but think of
all the people who have been worried, and for no reason have deleted a
system file.
Here is the debunking:
> Jdbgmgr.exe file hoax
> Reported on: April 12, 2002
> Last Updated on: July 16, 2002 07:22:47 AM PDT

> Symantec Security Response encourages you to ignore any messages regarding
this hoax. It is harmless and is intended only to cause unwarranted concern.

> Type: Hoax

> This is a hoax that, like the SULFNBK.EXE Warning hoax, tries to persuade
you to delete a legitimate Windows file from your computer. The file that
the hoax refers to, Jdbgmgr.exe, is a Java Debugger Manager. It is a
Microsoft file that is installed when you install Windows.
> It has a teddy bear icon as described in the hoax:
> NOTE: If you have already deleted the Jdbgmgr.exe file, some Java applets
may not run correctly. This is not a critical system file. The file version
may vary with your operating system and version of Internet Explorer.




Subject: Florentine
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 01:09:16 +0100
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Michael Hing <post@maiko.demon.co.uk>

The mystery over the Florentine diamond's weird cut is explained:
according to the Herbert Tillander book "Diamond Cuts in Historic
Jewellery 1381-1910", the truth is somewhat more complicated than it
appeared at first glance.

Tavernier's drawing of the Florentine diamond is (a) totally distorted
in terms of the proportions of the facets and (b) - and this is the
killer - for some reason, HE DEPICTED THE BACK OF THE STONE! Once you
stretch certain tiers and shrink others, it starts to look a lot more
like a rose-cut. The reason why this drawing looks completely unlike
any other drawing of the Florentine is because, unlike most double-
roses, the back was not identical to the front (it is similar, but
simplified). So I apologise for doubting him: he grasped the concept of
the cut completely (he just wasn't a great artist).

Cletscher's drawing is beautifully-proportioned and depicts the front of
the stone (as you might expect) - but although he successfully depicts
the stone as a variant tiered rose-cut with all the facets split either
vertically or horizontally, he got the facets arranged slightly wrong
(he sort of rotated the whole design around by one facet). On my web
page I point out that he made a small error towards the base of the
stone: I'm willing to bet that that was when he realised his mistake but
didn't have the heart to start again. By the way, Tillander also clears
up the mystery over his credentials: he was a diamond expert who is
known to have handled the stones personally.

I'm working on a new Gemcad Florentine cut as we speak. It will
probably take a long time but I will post it eventually.




Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:27:27 EDT
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Connic510@cs.com

Attended the Gaston County Gem & Mineral Clubs show and sale on Oct 5,
2002 in North Carolina. Vendors had a large amount of displays and items for
sale. Every person at the the show was helpful and had a good personality.
(I would have liked to see more faceting items for sale on their next show
and sale.) The merchandise that was there was of good quality and the prices
were reasonable. My thanks again to their club for hosting this event.
(Louis Connell)



Bombay Bazaar - (800)678-8450
Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: info@ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: tgibbs@compuserve.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )



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Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland, Florida.
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118. We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank you, John Withey



Sep 28-29 Downey. 52nd annual Delvers Gem& Mineral Soc. Women's Club
of Downey, 9813 Paramount Blvd. Free admission. Facet rough available
will include Benitoite, sapphires from Montana, Australia and southeast Asia,
blue and colorless topaz, 4Peaks amethyst,several citrines, ametrine,
sunstone, tourmaline and much more. Vargas books and laps also available.


Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.

The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: glennklein@yahoo.com



Redneck Marriage

While fishing with old friends in Louisiana, I learned that a fellow we
used to go to school with had been living with a girl, also from our
class, for over 10 years and that they had three children.

I asked, "Why on earth haven't they gotten married by now?"

One friend answered, "Well, they found out that they're second cousins
and they thought people would gossip if they got married."



" Beautiful young people are acts of nature,
But beautiful old people are works of art."

--- Unknown ---



Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer refused -

Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1 kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more

Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram if you
take the entire 300 grams

Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you take the
entire 300 grams

I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the web -
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough

You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: wntrhill@somtel.com


RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough for discriminating gem-cutters."
We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality gem rough
in a variety of materials. Our most recent arrivals: Aug. 2 ­ Aquamarine,
Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive e-flyer
(PDF), email rrgaetan@san.rr.com and ask for "The Rough List."


Hello all, I still have a Xristal-Tek87 for sale. I am reducing the price
because I really have to sell this fine machine. I have cut maybe 15 stones
on it. It is basically brand new and in perfect condition. It has the 8"
adapter ring on it and the dial indicator. It is a very sturdy rugged
machine. I am reducing the price to $900 and will still consider all

Thank you,
David Creviston
Atlanta, Georgia


IFA Faceters Digest Members:

I am now accepting cutting orders for high quality American Facetting
specializing in Barions and Portuguese Cuts as well as repairs. I am
32 have been cutting for 15 years and have been recently laid off from
my company where I was a medical software salesman. So now it's back to
gemcutting and jewelry. I also offer extremely reliable, high quality
overseas cutting to your diagrams and specs with a 4-6 week turn around.
Diamond cutting and repair available two, including recutting of
chipped melee. Please contact Tyler Allen Atlanta GA
770-393-2547 t.allen@mindspring.com



CALIFORNIA (Southern): All persons in the Greater Riverside area (of
Southern California) are invited to attend our faceting classes and "get
togethers" which are held once per month. If you would like to join us and
meet fellow faceters, please contact me anytime at: paulahlstedt@earthlink.net ~
Paul Ahlstedt

KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!

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