INTERNATIONAL FACETER'S ASSOCIATION
IFA FACETER'S DIGEST
Vol. 2, Issue No. 150 - Wednesday October 2, 2002
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"Making the world sparkle, one stone at a time."
Index to Today's Digest
01 Re: wax lap
02 Re: Corporate Issues
03 Re: Goverment involvment
04 Voting for the Jubilee Project design
05 Drops and drips
06 Thanks for continuing the Digest!
Subject: Wax lap again .....
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:56:28 -0400
OK i wait for the picture because what I want to see
is how the razor
blade is fix to the dop ?
Subject: Corporate Issues
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:31:17 -0700
From: "Paul T. Ahlstedt"<email@example.com>
In regard to forming a corporation, I wanted to say
how pleased I was to read
some of the past posts in regard to that, and how professional everyone
conducted themselves while discussing this very controversial topic.
am VERY pleased that everyone is showing the same respect to Thurmond
did me, and I thank you all for it as Thurmond is a good man, and
both the IFA and ILA to the next level.
I am going to stay on behind the scenes to help him
activities that I had planned, but it will be somewhat affected
by my current
projects, and my available free time. Thurmond DOES have my phone
is able to call anytime that an emergency or something might pop
up in case I
am needed. Other than that, please continue to show him your kindness
consideration as I can tell you FROM EXPERIENCE that running a list
his case) is quite a task. I trust his judgement completely, and
be no reason for concern over any particular issue.
I also wanted to speak about the corporation issue.
I would fully support the
formation of a non-profit organization, and this is clearly what
happen to take the IFA / ILA to the next level - and really bring
lapidary to the masses. I also have advised Thurmond that I would
both digests as a serial publication.
For those of you that do not support forming some
type of legal structure to
the IFA, I understand your point of view entirely, and your comments
taken and should be seriously considered. There are also advantages
forming a NPO, and those advantages should also be carefully weighed.
Be clear though that Thurmond and I are in complete
daily contact, and that
nothing is going to be done without careful consideration of the
facts and the
pro's and con's of each scenario.
I have also advised Thurmond to get some type of publication
because Doug is right - it is a very litigation prone society that
we live in.
I would say that everyone should continue to discuss
this very important
issue, and feel free to write in with your viewpoint. Just remember
are all friends and associates here, so continue to post with consideration
and professionalism. Also, please show the same trust and confidence
have in Thurmond, and many thanks again for showing him the respect
deserves as our new president - who is doing a fantastic job for
all of us -
and I mean that as I am now just a "member" and appreciate
his effort and
Thanks for the kind words and support Paul,
This is a BIG project and all decisions will not be
made quickly or lightly.
There is so much that needs to be accomplished to promote and grow
our common interest; Faceting and other Lapidary Areas.
Jerry Wykoff told me in an e-mail a while back that what is needed
most in the Lapidary / Faceting community is ORGANIZATION. I have
he knew what he is talking about since his former organization the
of American Gemcutters had over 4000 members. We need to grow and
provide leadership as an example to the world of how a widely diverse
individuals spanning the globe can join in a common cause to acheive
goal that is before it.
Subject: Goverment involvment
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:57:12 -0400
From: "Jewelers Gems" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I agree with Jerry Stroud. Any time you have to apply
for something you dont
have a god given right to do. You are always giving up more than
you get. We
can do all the things you talked about God willing if not why tri.
( How are
the copper laps working for you).
Hi Mike, Love the copper laps, I will never go back
to the bonded ones. Their
usefull life is too short with my faceting "style" and
materials I use.
Subject: Voting for the Jubilee Project design
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 05:48:45 +0100
From: Michael Hing <email@example.com>
I have added a page to the website for us to vote
on the design we will
be cutting. Please check it out on...
Subject: Drops and drips
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:45:24 +0930
From: "aurimas" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I am using an Imahashi faceter which came with an
aliuminium water pot,
enamelled on the inside. The water quality in Adelaide is far less
desirable and the inside of the water pot stanted to grow "Fur".
cleaning it out, but I feel that I may have discovered yet another
of scratching facets when polishing. I recon the bits of "fur"
culprits, Alox may be the curse!!!
I now use an I.V. bottle which hangs about 60 cms
above the lap and the
drip end fits through a piece timber sitting across the splash tray
can direct the water to the outside or the centre of the lap. The
delivery rate can be controled from one drop per fortnight to a
stream. The bottle holds 1000cc. was sterile and cost me zilch.
It works for me.
Aurimas in Spring in Adelaide in South Australia
Subject: Hi Thanks for continuing the Digest!
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:40:52 EDT
Thanks for continuing the Digest! Hale got me started on the Digest
Reiven Zeleznick got me started faceting).
I am moving to Tucson and interested in finding a
group to facet with dig
with or other lapidary or Paleontological Clubs.
I will start one if need be .... please contact me
if your interested.
Thanks ...... Have a great day!
I believe you will find the Old Pueblo Lapidary Club
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:37:04 -0700
From: "Larry McCoy" <email@example.com>
Hi gang, Mark asked about getting a color change tourmaline
certed, here is
my slant. A cert for a stone is great tool for selling fine and
stones, it helps the buyer because they aren't just relying on what
it is. Whoever you get to cert the stone needs to be very well known
field or the cert looses credablity very fast. When you order the
need to know what type you want, they mostly go like this. Type:
material is the stone and is it natural or manmade, Origin: where
stone from (these can be very tricky and often impossible to do),
(mostly heat) what has been done to the stone to enhance it if anything.
right statement on a cert can really add to the value of a stone.
the downside, you can expect to pay several hundred dollars for
a good cert
from someone like the GLDA lab NY. You need to decide if the cost
cert will add enough value to make it worth doing. If you opt to
go to one
of the cert mills because they are cheaper you will get what you
their certs don't carry much weight in the industry. I have spent
as much as
$1200 for a cert on a single stone and it was worth it, but I have
wrong before and got certs that added nothing to the value, sometimes
just a crapshoot.
Fred you have lots experience with certs whats your
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Bombay Bazaar - (800)678-8450
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com
RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~
Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~
*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, firstname.lastname@example.org.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters
Don Cameron: email@example.com
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, email@example.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, email@example.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch email@example.com
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
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Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will
be held on Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland,
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118. We
will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank you,
~ NORTH CAROLINA
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Sep 28-29 Downey. 52nd annual Delvers Gem& Mineral
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will include Benitoite, sapphires from Montana, Australia and southeast
blue and colorless topaz, 4Peaks amethyst,several citrines, ametrine,
sunstone, tourmaline and much more. Vargas books and laps also available.
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.
The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers,
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.
The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.
For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.
Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
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TODAY'S FUNNY ~
A strappin' big ole' country boy, Jeb, was sett'n
on the barnyard's split rail
fence enjoyin' the fresh country air. The hen chickens were klukin'
at various tidbits here and there, with baby chicks in attendance.
It was the
height of serenity on a balmy spring morning!
A big ole' rooster came struttin' up to the hens with
the authority of a king.
Eyein' one of the hens, the rooster approached her. Suddenly the
hen took off a
runnin', feathers flyin', with the rooster, like a fighter plane,
pursuit! With the hen zig zagin' around the barnyard, the big ole'
almost accomplished his goal when he skidded to a stop. Jeb was
stunned as he
observed what was unfolding...
The big ole' rooster had spied a big fat worm stickin'
his head out of the
ground. The rooster was stretching and pulling that tasty big fat
worm out of
the ground to have a feast!
In utter disbelief, Jeb turns his face up, while spreading
his arms out to the
heavens and starts praying, "Oh, Lordy! Oh Lordy! I shor' hopes
I never gets
REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
" Advice is like castor oil, easy to give, but
dreadful to take."
--- Josh Billings ---
Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer
Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material
- 1 kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more
Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available
- $2.00/gram if you
take the entire 300 grams
Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you
entire 300 grams
I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from
it on the web -
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough
You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at:
RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough
for discriminating gem-cutters."
We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality
in a variety of materials. Our most recent arrivals: Aug. 2
Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive
(PDF), email firstname.lastname@example.org and ask for "The Rough List."
Hello all, I still have a Xristal-Tek87 for sale.
I am reducing the price
because I really have to sell this fine machine. I have cut maybe
on it. It is basically brand new and in perfect condition. It has
adapter ring on it and the dial indicator. It is a very sturdy rugged
machine. I am reducing the price to $900 and will still consider
IFA Faceters Digest Members:
I am now accepting cutting orders for high quality
specializing in Barions and Portuguese Cuts as well as repairs.
32 have been cutting for 15 years and have been recently laid off
my company where I was a medical software salesman. So now it's
gemcutting and jewelry. I also offer extremely reliable, high quality
overseas cutting to your diagrams and specs with a 4-6 week turn
Diamond cutting and repair available two, including recutting of
chipped melee. Please contact Tyler Allen Atlanta GA
IFA FACETER'S DIGEST PERSONALS:
CALIFORNIA (Southern): All persons in the Greater
Riverside area (of
Southern California) are invited to attend our faceting classes
togethers" which are held once per month. If you would like
to join us and
meet fellow faceters, please contact me anytime at: email@example.com
KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country
from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis
ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St.
Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: firstname.lastname@example.org
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana,
about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans,
LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ email@example.com.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi
and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting
cabbing please e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org Thanks, Jim
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend
area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: email@example.com
firstname.lastname@example.org or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks
to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!
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